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and it hits me oh my gosh this is that

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triangle you know there's explanation

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for everything that occurred in the

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rendlesham forest incident that doesn't

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involve aliens at all it was completely

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silent it comes right over our head it's

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so a classic flying-saucer really

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standing in the clearing he turned over

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to my father and held his hand and he

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looked in his eyes and said we're not

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I'm in a good mood tonight I'm not

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really sure why because it's cold

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outside and but it's nice and warm here

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inside and we have another great show

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coming up for you this evening we have a

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the first hour is Christina knowles and

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she'll be talking about her website

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foundation for research and

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extraterrestrial encounters and much

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more and in the second hour we have

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angel s pineo coming up I heard him talk

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on UFOs on another show and thought it

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was pretty good so I've invited him on

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my show and he'll be on in the second

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hour before that we have alejandro rojas

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coming up from open minds TV he's going

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to talk about the latest UFO events and

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just a one thing i want to announce here

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if you've been emailing me i haven't

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been getting your email for a while it's

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been pretty quiet and I've actually kind

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of relaxed a little bit it's been going

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well then I realized today people

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haven't been responding to my email it

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was going out but not coming back in and

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that's because i have a new dedicated

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server and it just wasn't set up

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properly so that's what's going on with

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that so if i haven't answered your email

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i am not ignoring you i will be back

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soon as it gets straightened out and

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if you're the winning you'll get this

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and we are waiting right now for our

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lovely assistant hang on just one moment

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yes would you mind coming over here and

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picking from this basket just pick a

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name from the basket if you would and hi

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Martin hi who do we have here oh we have

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ads and warm ed Sanborn one yes at

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Sanborn so I'll be reaching out to you

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get your mailing address thank you very

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much and will be sending that right out

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so it's time now to bring on alejandro

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what is happening alejandro oh my gosh

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there's so much happening and and you

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know I think we talked about this last

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week the blue book thing right yeah I've

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been would posting the files so that has

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exploded so the Daily Mail picked up my

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story and then other UK news picked up

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their story Daily Mail luckily linked

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back to me and gave me credit but the

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others didn't but

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this is exploded so than ABC News calls

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him he's on ABC News Tonight are you

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thought that Stowe yeah yeah so I

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controversy around this as some people

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were accusing him of stealing him but it

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was this anonymous guy who who provided

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them too many of us of course these are

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Air Force files they're all free to the

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public you know so he was able to get

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those posters which is really cool but

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the news is Miss reporting everything

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the Today Show says something like you

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know Oh John Greenwald did all of these

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foils which he has and he's gotten

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millions of pages of documents from

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foyers he's been doing since he's a

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teenager that he has at the Blackwell

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vote but of course the US Air Force Blue

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Book files have been out for a long long

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time she isn't responsible of that nor

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is he claiming to be responsible for

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that but all of these new sites are

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crediting him with it even the Today

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Show of course is out there saying John

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Greenwald got these files released when

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that wasn't the case and it's funny

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because I keep in contact with him and

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he's like I clarified I went over and

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over this with them because they kept

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saying well when you got these files out

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from the Air Force and he said no no no

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no I didn't get them out from the air

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force they were already out so even

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though he tried to clarify they just

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said whatever the hell they wanted to

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anyway in and as we know you know

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because we monitor the stories from the

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media they just don't care about getting

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the facts right when it comes to UFO

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stories I just make stuff up and it's so

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right weird did you happen to read Kevin

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Randall's blog on that no I I don't

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think so yeah he wrote a lot you know

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just trying to clear up some of the the

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that that's interesting because I follow

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his blog and read it quite often but I

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hadn't seen that one but yeah there's a

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lot of mistakes and stuff like that but

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the point is what's good about this is

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uh you know a lot of people are looking

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at the files a lot of people in the UFO

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field didn't even know

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you know you could go out there took

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some research but you could find them

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and so now they're more prevalent

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everybody's getting to know that these

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files are here and they are reporting

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how there were 700 well the Air Force

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alleges 700 unidentified cases so people

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are hopefully looking for those and

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finding out more about that so they can

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read some of these amazing unidentified

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cases that are in the Blue Book files

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yeah what was the documentary that James

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Fox is working on is it isn't it 701 or

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something like that yeah yeah James Fox

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with Tracy Torme and a couple others are

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working on some producers from hangar 1

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are working on this documentary they're

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trying to get funds for it so I don't

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know if it's ever going to happen but

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that's the premise is the 701 I

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unidentified cases of course the Air

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Force said there were 701 and their

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website says this 700 on one

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unidentified among nearly 13,000 cases

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but when you go look at the actual

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records there aren't 701 in some cases

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you see you see different numbers

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everywhere so and nowhere except for

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their claim do you see 701 unidentifieds

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some people estimated at more like 650

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some say 500 some people say 1600 but if

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you go through the files at least and

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there are some guides out there that you

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could google and find to find what some

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of the unidentified words and then

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there's also J Allen Hynek had his own

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count accounting so he felt there were

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more unidentified than the Air Force had

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said but he also felt some that the

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airport said were unidentified were

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identified so it's kind of confusing but

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that's the official word 701 you know I

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have to admit that I am one of those

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people that didn't know those files were

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accessible and it's it's just only

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because I didn't really look into it and

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I think what is going to happen is a lot

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of people out there now will start

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looking into these files because they

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perhaps have the same you know thoughts

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that I did possibly that they didn't

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know that they were readily handy so

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maybe you know some more cases will

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it stirred up and a little more

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investigation and you know who knows I

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know it was a long time ago but perhaps

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some witnesses will you know get

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contacted or come forward or whatever

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it's only maybe maybe I'm just dreaming

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here but you know it could happen yeah

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it could I think it's positive I think

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it just demonstrates that there are were

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good cases out there that even though

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people fill the air force kind of blew

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the whole thing off that they took it

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very very seriously and because of these

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unidentified cases many in the airports

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were not convinced that it is something

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not to pay attention to many felt that

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it was a very important subject yeah i

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agree with you on that has anything been

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happening yeah there has this is a

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really fun story i think this is a cool

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one and this is one of those where it's

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a slow news day and i'm hunting and

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hunting for stories and i found a really

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interesting one in the French newspapers

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also other I found out other European

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newspapers are writing about this but

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there have been UFOs since October

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flying over nuclear power plants in

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France and Belgium and they don't know

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what they are in fact the French

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government says are on high alert due to

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these UFO sightings now the media and

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authorities believe that they're

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probably drones quadcopters or something

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like that however sometimes they're seen

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in pairs and some of the witnesses don't

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agree with that theory the other thing

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is is they don't know who they are

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they're saying okay well we think

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they're drones but we don't know whose

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they're suspecting that it could be a

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antinuclear organizations that that's

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doing this to show that you know nukes

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are scary and they can't protect them

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properly but a lot of organizations have

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been working with the authorities and

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come forward and said no it's not us so

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that hasn't panned out but a lot of

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people are up in arms Greenpeace is

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saying look you're downplaying the

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danger this shows that you know anyone

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with a drone could flag you know a bomb

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a nuclear power plant so this is really

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crazy there were something like 18 of

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them between flyovers in October and

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November but they have been happening

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January third in France where some

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security guard said they saw two flying

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objects there were some teenagers

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arrested in October that who were they

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were called airplane enthusiasts model

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aircraft enthusiasts is what the news

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said and they were going to attempt to

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fly something so it was before they did

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it over the nuclear power plants but the

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authorities have said these aren't the

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people who have been doing this they

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were just copycatting because they're

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just using a simple toy with limited

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range whereas whatever has been flying

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over these things must have you know

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just must be military-grade highly

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sophisticated because they can't track

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them and they don't know where they're

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coming from how crazy is that now I'm

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wondering here if it's some actually of

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eyewitness accounts totally or is there

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any radar involved in any of this well

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supposedly from what I've read it's

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eyewitness account some of those

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witnesses have posted on some websites

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in particular there's a guy named

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andre's Mueller who has a website called

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GRE WI and he has been reporting on this

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with some of the witness testimony and

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what they report is weird like tubes of

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light and some strange stuff however I

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supposedly there are some is some

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footage and pictures that the nuclear

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power plants have obtained but that they

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have not shared with the public as of

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yet I did read that they did to share

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some with the public but I have not seen

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those pictures or videos yet I haven't

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been able to find them so and and

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throughout this you can see there were a

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lot of people in the media telling them

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you need to release these pictures show

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us these pictures and videos so so they

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do have that but you like I said these

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are security guard

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people at these plans that work for the

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plants that are seeing these things and

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reporting them to the authorities Wow

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amazing interesting i wonder if Robert

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Hastings is up you know alerted to this

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or looking into any part of it yeah you

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know I've been uh we've been so busy

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with our conference that I haven't asked

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him about that but now you remind me I

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did want to send this story to him and

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see if he has been following and I'm

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assuming he does I know he looks at our

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website but I haven't heard from him but

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you're right we should check with him

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because of course he follows UFO

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sightings at nuclear power plants and he

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has a ton of incredible witnesses and I

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think we talked about this he's trying

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to make a documentary and would love

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financial support from the public so

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right I encourage that too yeah okay so

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what we have one more story sure this is

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kind of an interesting one from the last

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few days this is a from New Mexico there

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was a guy driving on the i-10 westbound

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near New Mexico and he says he saw an

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extremely large completely dark object

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hovering he said he watched this thing

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for like an hour as he was driving he

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did then pull our because he had to go

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to the restroom or something like that

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or get gas he took a picture of the

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object and he reported this to move on

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and we've got it on our site this was

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written by Roger Marsh who writes for us

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and posts works for a move on and post

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their sightings but he when he can't got

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done getting gas he looked for the

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object and it was gone so even though he

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had been watching this for an hour and

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it apparently to him was completely

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still for that entire hour so kind of a

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you can't make very much out from the

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picture at all you can see there's

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something there he took the picture with

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his phone but unfortunately the

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resolution isn't enough you zoom in and

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it's just kind of a blur so it's hard to

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make anything out from the photograph

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but kind of a strange kind of a cool

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citing their right and you can see this

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if you follow the show notes right on

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podcast you a photo

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calm your link right to the original

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story on open minds TV Thank You

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alejandro and we'll be talking I know

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you're going to be busy next week you're

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going to get busier and busier as we go

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along but hopefully we'll be talking to

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you next week yeah definitely always a

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pleasure my friend you betcha all right

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I'll talk to you then oh yes alright so

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if you hang in there right after the

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quick music break we'll be right back

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you

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music was provided by our listener Bruce

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Rainier and thank you Bruce Christina I

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hope you're on the line how are you very

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very good Martin how are you good thanks

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so much for joining us and I had the

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pleasure meeting you a few years ago and

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really enjoyed your company and thought

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you were fairly bright you're very

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bright and I want to talk to you about

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your recent involvement this is is this

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a new a new venture for you or fairly

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new I know that you've been working hard

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with experiences over the several years

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but this particular website the

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foundation for research into let's go

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ahead and talk about that and you can

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talk about your background a little bit

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too fantastic i really appreciate that

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and yeah it's great to be on the air

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with you again I know in the past was

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working with the experiencers project so

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that led you know the television project

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in conjunction with Jim O'Connell so

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that led to a wonderful opportunity to

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get more involved in this and to find

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out that this was really my niche that I

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wanted to work with experiencers and I

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just have to compliment you too Martin

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you have been fantastic I've been

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following your work over the last couple

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of years and absolutely love all the

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speakers that you bring on in just all

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the breakthroughs that we seem to

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continually enjoy in this field so it's

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an honor to be with you again well thank

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you and yes might the show I do has only

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do with the guests and and it's not

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always easy getting guests but it's it's

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a there's interesting ones sometimes

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there's a you know I get a lot of email

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about different people but it's real

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enjoyable to speak to so many you know

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different people with different ideas

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and thoughts because you know no one

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really has an answer it's just it's more

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interesting just looking for it and you

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know perhaps someday that will change

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but let's let's talk about the

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foundation for research into et

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encounter

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great great I appreciate that so first

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off I want to make sure that I give our

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website out just so that everyone knows

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how to actually find where we're located

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on the web it's experiencer so that's

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expe are ience our CEO so instead of com

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it's just dot CEO and then of course we

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can be reached at our email address

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which is free at experiencer see oh and

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I should say that when i was leaving the

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other project when you and I met that

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the TV series acting as co-producer and

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whatnot and lead investigator for that

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one thing that happened and occurred to

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me is that a really really good quality

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research is necessary in the field and I

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didn't feel that we completely had that

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to date so what had happened as i was

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working with a wonderful gentleman was

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actually a case that I had been

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investigating by the name of ray

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Hernandez out of Miami Florida and he

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called one day with an a brilliant

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download and any experience sir that's

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had the download kind of thing occur

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would definitely relate to that so I

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said oh my gosh ray pull over you know I

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don't want to get hit you know because I

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knew he was on the freeway and he had

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this download and he just was very

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excited and animated and went into this

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concept that we should be collaborating

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and and doing research so I just thought

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it was phenomenal and from there it

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expanded to marry Rodwell out of

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brisbane australia who is phenomenal i

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had been meeting with her over skype and

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had been following her work for many

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years and so the idea had come up that

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we would creating a new non-for-profit

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research organization and so we refer to

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ourselves as free which stands for the

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foundation for research into

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extraterrestrial encounters so out of

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this idea we stopped once we started to

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attract to ourselves which is very

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rapidly and mysteriously just all fell

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right into place but different PhD

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physicists PhD psychologists various

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scientists medical professionals and a

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diversity of experiences that would all

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work in you know under one umbrella as

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an

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bringing these diverse voices together

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that we could discuss specifically what

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was going on with the experiencers or

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some call us contact these or abductees

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I certainly identify and have all the

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qualifying markers so this is you could

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say I have a very vested interest in

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this specific area of you apology so

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going into that what we did is we

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created a board of directors they should

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say that the phenomenal part if you look

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at our website there's a lot of

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information there but we we have not

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done this alone we have the honor of

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working with some amazing people so I

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just kind of want to go into that a bit

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dr. Edgar Mitchell the sixth man on the

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moon and also the founder of the

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Institute of noetic Sciences played a

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very key role in meeting with ray

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Hernandez and inspiring us to develop

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free and then we have dr. Rudy shields

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the emeritus professor of astrophysics

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at the Harvard University and currently

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working with the harvard-smithsonian

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Center for Astrophysics so they're

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actually both two of our founding board

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members for the advisory board and it's

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been phenomenal to work with them and

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what I love about this is it's not just

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about a bunch of BIOS but people are

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actually coming together and have been

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for some time now we launched this i

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would say probably in March of 2013 and

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it grew very rapidly and then we

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officially launched the site in

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September last year so wonderful stuff

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great great and just for anyone that's

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listening live you can jump in the chat

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room and send Christina a question if

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you'd like or comment and that's very

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easy to just jump on podcast UFO calm

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and right to the right hand side you'll

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see the chat rooms you just it's a to

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click Sign In so Christina you've you've

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have you actually been working with with

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a dr. Mitchell yes so we have a very

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interesting relationship with in free

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will

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to appreciate the gentleman's time and

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make sure everyone at a certain level

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has certainly their day job and other

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things that that they have to

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accommodate within what they're doing so

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when we have specific projects that we

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need feedback on typically that will go

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through way who has met you no way

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Hernandez who has met with dr. Mitchell

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a number of times at his home and then

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of course dr. Rudy shields knows Edgar

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so a lot of times we'll get information

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back that way and he's been phenomenal

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now dr. shields is much more accessible

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which has been lovely and a lot of the

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quantum you know you'll see a lot of the

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different questions and things on the

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website a lot of the write-ups that's

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the information that we can refer to no

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I think I've done a little disservice

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here I want to go backwards in time and

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00:24:34,330 --> 00:24:31,730
just kind of talk a little bit about Ray

546
00:24:36,730 --> 00:24:34,340
Hernandez because this gentleman is

547
00:24:38,739 --> 00:24:36,740
phenomenal where you to quickly just so

548
00:24:41,919 --> 00:24:38,749
that the listening audience knows but

549
00:24:43,779 --> 00:24:41,929
he's an experiencer who is currently

550
00:24:46,570 --> 00:24:43,789
employed as an estate tax attorney with

551
00:24:49,389 --> 00:24:46,580
the IRS US Department of Treasury he's

552
00:24:51,879 --> 00:24:49,399
also obviously co-founder co-director of

553
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:51,889
free he was previously the director of

554
00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:54,799
center for sustainable urban environment

555
00:24:59,889 --> 00:24:57,919
at the City University of New York and

556
00:25:01,570 --> 00:24:59,899
the director of the Office of Community

557
00:25:04,810 --> 00:25:01,580
environmental planning for the city of

558
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:04,820
New York he's attended rutgers college

559
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:07,129
cornell university and was a PhD

560
00:25:11,919 --> 00:25:10,369
candidate at UC berkeley in city and

561
00:25:13,389 --> 00:25:11,929
regional planning he was also the

562
00:25:16,749 --> 00:25:13,399
recipient of the National Science

563
00:25:18,759 --> 00:25:16,759
Foundation PhD fellowship and he resides

564
00:25:20,619 --> 00:25:18,769
as i said in florida and then again i

565
00:25:22,629 --> 00:25:20,629
just want to give credit to anyone who

566
00:25:26,590 --> 00:25:22,639
might not know who Mary Rodwell is she

567
00:25:28,810 --> 00:25:26,600
certainly really well known within my

568
00:25:31,570 --> 00:25:28,820
circles but some might know so she's a

569
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:31,580
counselor and hypnotherapist UF ologist

570
00:25:36,190 --> 00:25:34,159
researcher metaphysician and former

571
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:36,200
registered nurse and midwife in the UK

572
00:25:40,299 --> 00:25:38,480
she's found her in principle of a cern

573
00:25:42,730 --> 00:25:40,309
which is australian close encounter

574
00:25:43,989 --> 00:25:42,740
resource network and she is recognized

575
00:25:45,999 --> 00:25:43,999
internationally as one of the leading

576
00:25:49,060 --> 00:25:46,009
researchers in the UFO and contact

577
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:49,070
phenomenon she's lectured in all over

578
00:25:53,540 --> 00:25:51,330
the world US canada hawaii UK newsea

579
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:53,550
and and appears regularly in national

580
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:54,960
and international media and news

581
00:25:59,060 --> 00:25:57,450
programs so she's phenomenal and anyone

582
00:26:01,300 --> 00:25:59,070
that hasn't read the book I would highly

583
00:26:03,650 --> 00:26:01,310
suggest getting it awakening how

584
00:26:07,490 --> 00:26:03,660
extraterrestrial contact can transform

585
00:26:09,890 --> 00:26:07,500
your life and she resides in Queensland

586
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:09,900
Australia but fantastic so we put this

587
00:26:15,890 --> 00:26:11,610
idea together we decided that we really

588
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:15,900
wanted to develop a team and for three

589
00:26:22,990 --> 00:26:18,000
specific reasons so our main objective

590
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:23,000
is research educate and support hmmm

591
00:26:28,220 --> 00:26:26,400
excuse me so a research project what

592
00:26:30,620 --> 00:26:28,230
we're doing with that we have dr. John

593
00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:30,630
clemo he's the chair of our experience a

594
00:26:34,790 --> 00:26:32,910
research project he is a professor of

595
00:26:37,850 --> 00:26:34,800
psychology with over 40 years experience

596
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:37,860
as an academic researcher and teaching

597
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:41,010
professor who has chaired over 250 PhD

598
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:44,480
dissertations in psychology 75 of those

599
00:26:49,850 --> 00:26:47,360
have been in the field of the paranormal

600
00:26:51,710 --> 00:26:49,860
fantastic near-death experience me this

601
00:26:55,580 --> 00:26:51,720
man I could talk to him forever he's

602
00:26:58,100 --> 00:26:55,590
phenomenal and then we have dr. Leo

603
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,110
sprinkle he's the co-chair he's retired

604
00:27:01,580 --> 00:27:00,000
professor psychology who has undertaken

605
00:27:04,940 --> 00:27:01,590
research in the field since nineteen

606
00:27:08,510 --> 00:27:04,950
sixty-two and very his name comes up a

607
00:27:11,390 --> 00:27:08,520
lot yeah right yep and Kathleen Mardan

608
00:27:13,610 --> 00:27:11,400
she's a MUFON structure of abduction

609
00:27:15,020 --> 00:27:13,620
research and she's the author of several

610
00:27:16,910 --> 00:27:15,030
major you have followed G books

611
00:27:20,690 --> 00:27:16,920
including the one alien abduction files

612
00:27:23,690 --> 00:27:20,700
with Denise toner and Denise stoner I'll

613
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:23,700
go into her bio in a quick second but

614
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:25,530
she has been phenomenal to work with as

615
00:27:31,130 --> 00:27:28,290
well and then we have Barbara lamb she

616
00:27:33,620 --> 00:27:31,140
was the therapist that I was able to

617
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:33,630
work with years ago when I was having my

618
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:37,050
awakening after my experiences in March

619
00:27:42,890 --> 00:27:40,650
of 1999 so that helped tremendously she

620
00:27:44,990 --> 00:27:42,900
is the author of alien experiences and

621
00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:45,000
crop circles revealed and she has

622
00:27:50,810 --> 00:27:48,710
conducted research and over 3500

623
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:50,820
experiencer cases now throughout the

624
00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:54,240
world and again Denise toner a lifelong

625
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:56,130
experience ER she has worked in the

626
00:28:00,110 --> 00:27:57,840
field for the last 20 years and his

627
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:00,120
co-author with Kathleen Martin on the

628
00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:03,090
alien abduction files again and then we

629
00:28:06,370 --> 00:28:04,370
have Ralph Steiner

630
00:28:09,580 --> 00:28:06,380
he is a researcher in the paranormal

631
00:28:12,370 --> 00:28:09,590
field for 25 years now and a

632
00:28:14,350 --> 00:28:12,380
non-academic physicist with expertise on

633
00:28:17,049 --> 00:28:14,360
the quantum hologram theory of physics

634
00:28:19,690 --> 00:28:17,059
and consciousness so again it's an honor

635
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:19,700
to be able to work with these folks I

636
00:28:22,900 --> 00:28:20,720
feel like the idiot of the budge

637
00:28:24,220 --> 00:28:22,910
sometimes to tell you the truth there

638
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:24,230
especially when we start getting into

639
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:28,010
all the different quantum discussions

640
00:28:33,730 --> 00:28:31,760
it's awesome mmm and I should say that I

641
00:28:35,860 --> 00:28:33,740
wanted volley to stop quickly with

642
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:35,870
wealth and say I want to congratulate

643
00:28:43,570 --> 00:28:39,679
Ralph because he is going to be starting

644
00:28:46,990 --> 00:28:43,580
this lovely radio show on k gr a radio

645
00:28:49,630 --> 00:28:47,000
and the it's going to be entitled the

646
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:49,640
other side of the universe and the focus

647
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:51,410
is going to be science explores all

648
00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:54,050
aspects of ET contact and the paranormal

649
00:28:58,780 --> 00:28:56,809
and again it's going to be on k gr a

650
00:29:00,669 --> 00:28:58,790
digital broadcasting station and it

651
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:00,679
should start sometime early March of

652
00:29:06,010 --> 00:29:03,530
this year oh very good stuff that's

653
00:29:09,070 --> 00:29:06,020
great right now I want to just I just

654
00:29:10,299 --> 00:29:09,080
had this conversation with someone down

655
00:29:13,630 --> 00:29:10,309
in Portsmouth New Hampshire the other

656
00:29:17,049 --> 00:29:13,640
day we were out at lunch and and we were

657
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:17,059
just chatting and he and I'm just going

658
00:29:21,730 --> 00:29:18,650
to ask you what you would say to this

659
00:29:23,650 --> 00:29:21,740
this claim that he had he said well you

660
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:23,660
know you talk he was talking about alien

661
00:29:28,330 --> 00:29:25,730
abductions and he says you go back in

662
00:29:31,690 --> 00:29:28,340
time he said there were the elves there

663
00:29:33,610 --> 00:29:31,700
were the you know the demons there was

664
00:29:35,919 --> 00:29:33,620
you know all these different things he

665
00:29:40,090 --> 00:29:35,929
says today is just you know it's the

666
00:29:43,330 --> 00:29:40,100
fashion is aliens instead and alien

667
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:43,340
abduction and that's all it is you know

668
00:29:47,410 --> 00:29:45,200
a leprechaun's he went on and on and

669
00:29:49,060 --> 00:29:47,420
naming all the different mythical you

670
00:29:51,940 --> 00:29:49,070
know encounters that happened in the

671
00:29:54,190 --> 00:29:51,950
past and and so you know I just want to

672
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:54,200
hear what your take was on how would you

673
00:29:57,610 --> 00:29:56,090
respond to someone that would say that

674
00:30:00,850 --> 00:29:57,620
to you know I think it's a fantastic

675
00:30:02,980 --> 00:30:00,860
theory and we should actually test that

676
00:30:07,030 --> 00:30:02,990
you know with with the data that we're

677
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:07,040
receiving so in other words f in fact

678
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:09,679
whatever has been visiting mankind has

679
00:30:14,860 --> 00:30:13,010
the ability to manipulate the mind then

680
00:30:17,650 --> 00:30:14,870
wouldn't it stand to reason that one

681
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:17,660
would perceive the

682
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:21,890
as an elf or an angel or a demon or god

683
00:30:26,530 --> 00:30:24,530
only knows what so this is another

684
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:26,540
aspect of research and I think this is

685
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:28,970
the exciting part of research is first

686
00:30:32,620 --> 00:30:30,170
admitting we don't know what the hell

687
00:30:35,230 --> 00:30:32,630
we're doing haha and then secondly

688
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:35,240
really digging into it and looking at

689
00:30:40,510 --> 00:30:38,690
the data and I mean let's face it today

690
00:30:42,250 --> 00:30:40,520
in this age we're not hearing a bunch of

691
00:30:45,730 --> 00:30:42,260
fairy reports are we know we're hearing

692
00:30:47,260 --> 00:30:45,740
et however we do have more scientific

693
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:47,270
practices now to be able to ascertain

694
00:30:52,180 --> 00:30:50,210
that something is clearly non-human you

695
00:30:54,820 --> 00:30:52,190
know the vessel let's say these you know

696
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:54,830
so are we when we go into these types of

697
00:30:59,470 --> 00:30:58,010
flying vessels which we are being you

698
00:31:01,750 --> 00:30:59,480
know in our modern day able to record

699
00:31:04,090 --> 00:31:01,760
and obviously firsthand testimony such

700
00:31:05,530 --> 00:31:04,100
as mine and others around the globe what

701
00:31:08,890 --> 00:31:05,540
are we really going to look at when we

702
00:31:11,170 --> 00:31:08,900
pop the you know when let's say we look

703
00:31:14,410 --> 00:31:11,180
inside that craft so I think it's a

704
00:31:16,690 --> 00:31:14,420
great question something that again

705
00:31:18,490 --> 00:31:16,700
hopefully the research will give us a

706
00:31:21,340 --> 00:31:18,500
clearer picture but I highly doubt that

707
00:31:23,740 --> 00:31:21,350
we will be any in other words in my

708
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:23,750
lifetime and we might be just a tad

709
00:31:29,020 --> 00:31:27,170
closer so this is to me an endeavor that

710
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:29,030
you never quite it's a rabbit hole you

711
00:31:33,130 --> 00:31:30,650
will never quite get to the bottom of

712
00:31:36,730 --> 00:31:33,140
and that's exactly I will never tire of

713
00:31:40,060 --> 00:31:36,740
it you know I agree well let's just say

714
00:31:41,890 --> 00:31:40,070
that you were in getting in the counter

715
00:31:44,290 --> 00:31:41,900
from an alien and these millions of

716
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:44,300
people or hundreds of thousands how many

717
00:31:49,570 --> 00:31:46,490
are that are claiming you know globally

718
00:31:53,710 --> 00:31:49,580
that this is happening to them you know

719
00:31:56,530 --> 00:31:53,720
if if these beings were clever enough to

720
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:56,540
actually go interstellar then they could

721
00:32:02,470 --> 00:31:59,360
probably control about anything that

722
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:02,480
they want if everything is true what you

723
00:32:09,130 --> 00:32:05,330
hear or even part of it is true of what

724
00:32:11,770 --> 00:32:09,140
you hear you know but it makes you

725
00:32:14,110 --> 00:32:11,780
wonder too like it just seems like there

726
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:14,120
would be more witnesses or something

727
00:32:17,670 --> 00:32:16,010
like this someone would actually you

728
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:17,680
know you hear of a couple of cases but

729
00:32:22,030 --> 00:32:19,610
you hear of a couple of interesting

730
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:22,040
cases about people being awake and not

731
00:32:26,050 --> 00:32:23,450
being able to move and all that and

732
00:32:28,030 --> 00:32:26,060
seeing things happen but it just seems

733
00:32:30,930 --> 00:32:28,040
like there would be some type of slip up

734
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:30,940
eventually where there were

735
00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:33,440
yeah what's your opinion on that that's

736
00:32:37,450 --> 00:32:35,510
right well here's my opinion I do this

737
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:37,460
work all day long and if I wanted to I

738
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:39,919
could take a new case or more sometimes

739
00:32:44,260 --> 00:32:42,559
I there was a mode I'd say several years

740
00:32:46,210 --> 00:32:44,270
ago when I was crazy enough to take

741
00:32:47,710 --> 00:32:46,220
three new cases on a day which is

742
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:47,720
insanity because if you're really trying

743
00:32:51,580 --> 00:32:50,330
to work a case so what I can tell you is

744
00:32:57,130 --> 00:32:51,590
from my perspective and where I'm

745
00:32:59,919 --> 00:32:57,140
sitting we are overwhelmed with cases

746
00:33:01,840 --> 00:32:59,929
and people do not really know what's

747
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:01,850
going on and when you've talked to one

748
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:04,010
you and again this is why I mean one of

749
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:05,840
my goals is actually to document the

750
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:08,450
research I'm going to be speaking at the

751
00:33:12,820 --> 00:33:10,880
experiencers speak conference hopefully

752
00:33:14,260 --> 00:33:12,830
in August and that will give me an

753
00:33:16,419 --> 00:33:14,270
opportunity to have some of that

754
00:33:18,490 --> 00:33:16,429
research there I want to go back to what

755
00:33:19,899 --> 00:33:18,500
you said a second ago well over you know

756
00:33:21,940 --> 00:33:19,909
you said something to the effect of a

757
00:33:23,769 --> 00:33:21,950
hundred thousand cases here's what we're

758
00:33:25,630 --> 00:33:23,779
dealing with we're dealing with many

759
00:33:28,330 --> 00:33:25,640
many more than that okay and this is

760
00:33:31,419 --> 00:33:28,340
only what we know so in research so far

761
00:33:32,889 --> 00:33:31,429
what we found is that they do ET and I

762
00:33:34,149 --> 00:33:32,899
do believe their extraterrestrial I'm

763
00:33:35,130 --> 00:33:34,159
not here to talk about fairies and

764
00:33:38,350 --> 00:33:35,140
mermaids i'm here to talk about

765
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:38,360
extraterrestrials and intelligent x and

766
00:33:40,810 --> 00:33:39,440
we can call them whatever we want i

767
00:33:42,730 --> 00:33:40,820
don't care we can talk about you know

768
00:33:44,529 --> 00:33:42,740
what do they look like we could spend

769
00:33:48,220 --> 00:33:44,539
all day okay the different species and

770
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:48,230
all that but when you are in an

771
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:50,690
abduction scenario or contact scenario

772
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:52,730
is that where can you find yourself

773
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:55,010
connecting with these beings they are

774
00:34:00,460 --> 00:33:58,010
extremely telepathic so number one is a

775
00:34:03,580 --> 00:34:00,470
researcher that's one of my clothes

776
00:34:06,909 --> 00:34:03,590
because again i did not believe in UFOs

777
00:34:08,919 --> 00:34:06,919
prior to march of 1999 when i had my

778
00:34:10,810 --> 00:34:08,929
adult sighting i did not believe in the

779
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:10,820
existence of extraterrestrial life i had

780
00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:14,690
been deprogrammed by society by the

781
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:17,510
media by religion not to believe that

782
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:19,609
this even was ever going to pop up on my

783
00:34:27,220 --> 00:34:23,450
radar okay so when it did and i actually

784
00:34:30,490 --> 00:34:27,230
went through that process of having

785
00:34:32,919 --> 00:34:30,500
direct recall okay there's a lot of it

786
00:34:34,780 --> 00:34:32,929
with research oh you know regression

787
00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:34,790
blah blah blah fine don't look at

788
00:34:37,810 --> 00:34:36,409
regression work let's just look at the

789
00:34:40,419 --> 00:34:37,820
hard research and what someone actually

790
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:40,429
consciously recalls okay there's a lot

791
00:34:43,369 --> 00:34:41,839
of evidence and then of course

792
00:34:46,430 --> 00:34:43,379
researching many

793
00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:46,440
cases now and again when you do this

794
00:34:51,230 --> 00:34:48,179
research experiencers don't go away

795
00:34:54,349 --> 00:34:51,240
which is a beautiful thing they continue

796
00:34:56,029 --> 00:34:54,359
to call and check in and that's the most

797
00:34:57,370 --> 00:34:56,039
important part that we can do is

798
00:35:01,160 --> 00:34:57,380
actually connect with one another

799
00:35:03,769 --> 00:35:01,170
connect talk open up okay now why don't

800
00:35:05,569 --> 00:35:03,779
people want to go so public with this

801
00:35:07,309 --> 00:35:05,579
because they have families because

802
00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:07,319
there's still this ridiculous societal

803
00:35:11,269 --> 00:35:08,910
stigma that if you even talk about UFOs

804
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,279
you're crazy much less having some type

805
00:35:14,930 --> 00:35:13,200
of you know communication with these

806
00:35:16,190 --> 00:35:14,940
beings so there's there's a lot of that

807
00:35:19,339 --> 00:35:16,200
and again that's why I feel so

808
00:35:22,910 --> 00:35:19,349
passionately about free it's because we

809
00:35:24,769 --> 00:35:22,920
really are not doing ourselves any kind

810
00:35:28,099 --> 00:35:24,779
of service by just pretending that this

811
00:35:29,809 --> 00:35:28,109
is not real I think hello if they're

812
00:35:31,279 --> 00:35:29,819
flying in the sky then yeah maybe we

813
00:35:32,690 --> 00:35:31,289
should pay attention to the evidence

814
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:32,700
that they're leaving behind and everyone

815
00:35:35,329 --> 00:35:33,930
just show me the evidence show me the

816
00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:35,339
evidence I can it's called hundreds of

817
00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:37,529
thousands of human beings all over the

818
00:35:41,299 --> 00:35:39,480
globe they're having these contact

819
00:35:43,099 --> 00:35:41,309
experiences and guess what they're not

820
00:35:45,170 --> 00:35:43,109
stopping they call me all the time I add

821
00:35:46,670 --> 00:35:45,180
another one okay cool when we get a cup

822
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:46,680
of tea sit down right what let's go

823
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:48,000
what's what's going on here you know

824
00:35:51,890 --> 00:35:50,130
Kate up up up up ah so again it's more

825
00:35:54,049 --> 00:35:51,900
than I can handle or anyone else so

826
00:35:55,370 --> 00:35:54,059
that's why we've developed these kinds

827
00:35:58,039 --> 00:35:55,380
of instruments to be able to really

828
00:35:59,779 --> 00:35:58,049
study this and to really really really a

829
00:36:02,240 --> 00:35:59,789
matter of fact let me talk about that

830
00:36:04,279 --> 00:36:02,250
for a second so the research instruments

831
00:36:06,019 --> 00:36:04,289
the first survey or questionnaire alone

832
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:06,029
than anyone can take and by the way if

833
00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:08,130
you're an experiencer and you would like

834
00:36:12,799 --> 00:36:09,569
to fill out the information in an

835
00:36:15,710 --> 00:36:12,809
anonymous with an anonymous name that's

836
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:15,720
fine we do have certain technical

837
00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:17,130
mechanisms which I'm not going to go

838
00:36:21,170 --> 00:36:19,529
into detail but we can track certain

839
00:36:23,359 --> 00:36:21,180
things just to make sure that we're not

840
00:36:25,279 --> 00:36:23,369
getting inundated with garbage data and

841
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:25,289
that is just for the phase one

842
00:36:29,539 --> 00:36:27,089
questionnaire so that's a hundred

843
00:36:32,420 --> 00:36:29,549
questions roughly when we get into Phase

844
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:32,430
two we are well over a thousand

845
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:35,250
questions okay and I'm document yes I'm

846
00:36:38,990 --> 00:36:37,170
not going to go into why I'm going to

847
00:36:41,660 --> 00:36:39,000
say again this has been taken the

848
00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:41,670
methodology quantitative qualitative and

849
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:43,049
everything else that we've been putting

850
00:36:47,269 --> 00:36:45,450
together for quite some time now is

851
00:36:50,509 --> 00:36:47,279
there for a reason and I didn't design

852
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:50,519
it I i I'm just blown away at the

853
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:52,049
individuals and what they've come up

854
00:36:56,690 --> 00:36:55,410
with at the academic level then the

855
00:37:01,310 --> 00:36:56,700
phase 3 and

856
00:37:04,210 --> 00:37:01,320
views would be one on one so that group

857
00:37:07,370 --> 00:37:04,220
will be smaller so we'll be able to look

858
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:07,380
for different indicators within okay now

859
00:37:10,460 --> 00:37:09,119
some of the indicators just and I don't

860
00:37:12,020 --> 00:37:10,470
know how much you talk about abduction a

861
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:12,030
lot of people talk about UFOs so let's

862
00:37:15,170 --> 00:37:13,770
so some of the indicators for me

863
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:15,180
researcher that's already been there

864
00:37:19,550 --> 00:37:17,280
done that I would look for the paralysis

865
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:19,560
because I certainly can relate to that i

866
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:21,530
would love by the way you are awake

867
00:37:26,930 --> 00:37:25,170
you're absolutely awake and so this is

868
00:37:28,579 --> 00:37:26,940
much different than this garbage where

869
00:37:31,010 --> 00:37:28,589
they say oh it's sleep paralysis or

870
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:31,020
anything like that you're actually able

871
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:33,839
to see a being for a certain amount of

872
00:37:37,099 --> 00:37:35,609
time and again we can talk about

873
00:37:38,810 --> 00:37:37,109
verbiage we should write new

874
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:38,820
dictionaries for everything that's being

875
00:37:43,310 --> 00:37:40,170
discovered in the research but let's

876
00:37:45,980 --> 00:37:43,320
just say that the individual is switched

877
00:37:48,170 --> 00:37:45,990
off at a certain point why well because

878
00:37:50,089 --> 00:37:48,180
of the stress because it's very very

879
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:50,099
stressful and no matter even if you're a

880
00:37:53,210 --> 00:37:51,690
lifelong contact d and this is something

881
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:53,220
I'm monitoring in a lot of the cases

882
00:37:58,910 --> 00:37:56,160
that I'm working with some do do very

883
00:38:01,460 --> 00:37:58,920
well in their environment which means in

884
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:01,470
their home and this is also a shift and

885
00:38:05,870 --> 00:38:03,119
what I'm seeing in a lot of cases is

886
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,880
that people would say oh I'm you know

887
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,680
I'm abducted and I'm in and I believe me

888
00:38:11,210 --> 00:38:09,359
I've been in both environments I can say

889
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:11,220
yes I definitely can relate to what it

890
00:38:14,270 --> 00:38:12,000
was like to be in a more

891
00:38:16,819 --> 00:38:14,280
extraterrestrial environment on a craft

892
00:38:20,020 --> 00:38:16,829
let's say and what it is to have contact

893
00:38:22,460 --> 00:38:20,030
when I'm in the comfort of my own home

894
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:22,470
so I kind of covered a lot of that and

895
00:38:26,660 --> 00:38:24,960
again we're only talking about my little

896
00:38:28,130 --> 00:38:26,670
you know neck of the woods and my

897
00:38:31,309 --> 00:38:28,140
Kristina's research we're not even

898
00:38:33,290 --> 00:38:31,319
talking about what free is done very

899
00:38:35,390 --> 00:38:33,300
excited and again we don't have a

900
00:38:37,579 --> 00:38:35,400
tremendous amount of cases like some of

901
00:38:40,579 --> 00:38:37,589
the organization's others do we're

902
00:38:42,319 --> 00:38:40,589
taking things very slowly and very at a

903
00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:42,329
very clinical level because we do want

904
00:38:47,059 --> 00:38:45,300
to make sure that the data is good we do

905
00:38:49,490 --> 00:38:47,069
want to vet it out and then we want to

906
00:38:52,220 --> 00:38:49,500
dig deeper into that data and follow the

907
00:38:53,359 --> 00:38:52,230
cases throughout so we're not in a rush

908
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:53,369
it's not about making a name for

909
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:54,930
ourselves or anything like that it's

910
00:38:59,420 --> 00:38:57,450
actually about really understanding and

911
00:39:02,450 --> 00:38:59,430
uncovering something that is happening

912
00:39:04,339 --> 00:39:02,460
globally now so I know I have covered a

913
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:04,349
lot of ground you're not looking at the

914
00:39:07,579 --> 00:39:06,089
chat room right the second well that's

915
00:39:10,579 --> 00:39:07,589
good we do have one question up there

916
00:39:13,370 --> 00:39:10,589
please and someone to know if the

917
00:39:16,700 --> 00:39:13,380
experience with the contact you you had

918
00:39:19,940 --> 00:39:16,710
was that positive or negative oh I think

919
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:19,950
that that's an excellent question that's

920
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:23,249
actually part of the some of the pie

921
00:39:27,859 --> 00:39:25,920
charts and what's awesome to me about a

922
00:39:29,209 --> 00:39:27,869
lot of the research that were that the

923
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:29,219
feedback we're getting from the

924
00:39:35,359 --> 00:39:33,119
experiencers is that we are somewhere

925
00:39:37,870 --> 00:39:35,369
around neutral so in other words they're

926
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:37,880
saying just like me positive negative

927
00:39:43,940 --> 00:39:41,729
and neutral why is that because it

928
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:43,950
depends on where you are with your

929
00:39:47,690 --> 00:39:46,079
psychology you know it you know your

930
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:47,700
psyche so in other words in the

931
00:39:51,799 --> 00:39:49,680
beginning terrified are you kidding me

932
00:39:55,279 --> 00:39:51,809
absolutely terrified absolutely

933
00:39:57,469 --> 00:39:55,289
terrified march of 1999 in fact I talked

934
00:39:59,059 --> 00:39:57,479
to a friend of mine who knew me around

935
00:40:01,759 --> 00:39:59,069
that time and said christina don't

936
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:01,769
remember you'd come over after work eat

937
00:40:05,059 --> 00:40:03,359
shower and you curl up in a ball and

938
00:40:06,259 --> 00:40:05,069
fall asleep you did not want to go back

939
00:40:07,459 --> 00:40:06,269
to your apartment and he said you

940
00:40:08,959 --> 00:40:07,469
couldn't you could not stop talking

941
00:40:10,940 --> 00:40:08,969
about the UFO that you saw in your

942
00:40:12,259 --> 00:40:10,950
hunting trip nor the red light that

943
00:40:14,420 --> 00:40:12,269
floated into your room you know a couple

944
00:40:16,209 --> 00:40:14,430
nights later I couldn't remember that

945
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:16,219
kind of stuff gives me chills because

946
00:40:20,420 --> 00:40:18,450
and I think that's why it gives me so

947
00:40:22,609 --> 00:40:20,430
much compassion due to do the work that

948
00:40:25,819 --> 00:40:22,619
I do to the most important part of this

949
00:40:27,769 --> 00:40:25,829
is talking for me today is talking to

950
00:40:29,509 --> 00:40:27,779
other experiencers because this doesn't

951
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:29,519
only affect them this affects their

952
00:40:35,479 --> 00:40:31,410
families this affects their children

953
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:35,489
their careers everything okay so yes

954
00:40:41,180 --> 00:40:38,160
absolutely negative in some respects now

955
00:40:44,089 --> 00:40:41,190
over time and perhaps because I've

956
00:40:46,219 --> 00:40:44,099
decided not to run away from it but to

957
00:40:47,989 --> 00:40:46,229
really integrate these experiences and

958
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:47,999
try to come to a deeper understanding of

959
00:40:53,150 --> 00:40:49,920
why that they're in my life and what

960
00:40:55,009 --> 00:40:53,160
possibly could et want with me what is

961
00:40:58,009 --> 00:40:55,019
this about am i inviting it you know

962
00:41:01,400 --> 00:40:58,019
lots of deep questions then we get into

963
00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:01,410
the positive aspect and I don't believe

964
00:41:05,660 --> 00:41:04,049
that that is just some you know altered

965
00:41:07,549 --> 00:41:05,670
state that they are projecting I've

966
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:07,559
heard so many different theories that I

967
00:41:12,140 --> 00:41:10,170
really don't believe that you hear just

968
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:12,150
everything but that's fine everyone is

969
00:41:15,170 --> 00:41:13,650
entitled to their belief and I do

970
00:41:17,029 --> 00:41:15,180
believe that there are positive each

971
00:41:19,819 --> 00:41:17,039
ease as it is in heaven so it is below

972
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:19,829
so we have positive ETS we have negative

973
00:41:24,620 --> 00:41:22,410
ETS for sure and I need this sooner

974
00:41:26,420 --> 00:41:24,630
that mankind kind of wakes up to that I

975
00:41:28,849 --> 00:41:26,430
think that to me is like an awakening

976
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:28,859
all in of itself wow really ok great

977
00:41:36,349 --> 00:41:31,650
free will uh-huh then what do we do with

978
00:41:38,990 --> 00:41:36,359
it so mm-hmm well another another

979
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:39,000
question that just came to mind for me

980
00:41:44,779 --> 00:41:42,690
is um when when this is going on first

981
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:44,789
of all you said earlier which I would

982
00:41:50,359 --> 00:41:48,240
have I'd be totally like scared to death

983
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:50,369
I couldn't even imagine you know what

984
00:41:54,589 --> 00:41:52,319
what I've hear about you know some of

985
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,599
these things but when this first

986
00:41:59,809 --> 00:41:56,400
happened to you right away did you

987
00:42:02,809 --> 00:41:59,819
actually realize what it was going on no

988
00:42:05,539 --> 00:42:02,819
no no absolutely not no I mean I I see

989
00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:05,549
okay I observed with three other adult

990
00:42:12,140 --> 00:42:10,049
friends of mine several UFOs so first we

991
00:42:15,140 --> 00:42:12,150
had one sighting we we knew that

992
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:15,150
whatever it was that it was you know we

993
00:42:18,589 --> 00:42:16,890
were in Apple Valley California in the

994
00:42:20,299 --> 00:42:18,599
desert in the black of night on a

995
00:42:24,529 --> 00:42:20,309
hunting trip no this was one of my first

996
00:42:26,660 --> 00:42:24,539
hunting trips I am NOT a hunter I had a

997
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:26,670
spiritual epiphany that night and

998
00:42:30,319 --> 00:42:28,770
thought I can't do this this is not me I

999
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:30,329
was really just trying to do it back

1000
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:31,890
then to impress my boyfriend at the time

1001
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:34,890
and so I was with him and a married

1002
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:36,690
couple that I was rooming with at the

1003
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:40,130
time in Huntington Beach California so

1004
00:42:47,930 --> 00:42:42,690
here we are in apple valley we see this

1005
00:42:50,690 --> 00:42:47,940
beautiful white orb that was to my right

1006
00:42:53,390 --> 00:42:50,700
probably 30 feet off the ground 30 to 60

1007
00:42:55,970 --> 00:42:53,400
at that point and remember thinking wow

1008
00:42:59,690 --> 00:42:55,980
that's awesome just completely look Olli

1009
00:43:01,250 --> 00:42:59,700
moly that's so not you know that's not

1010
00:43:02,930 --> 00:43:01,260
the moon we were trying to put you know

1011
00:43:05,450 --> 00:43:02,940
like what is that it was absolutely no

1012
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:05,460
sound whatsoever so we pulled our gear

1013
00:43:11,329 --> 00:43:07,609
out I'm going to fast forward the story

1014
00:43:14,990 --> 00:43:11,339
my friend oh I won't mention his name he

1015
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:15,000
ended up killing the Bobcat so we

1016
00:43:18,380 --> 00:43:16,890
brought the Bobcat back to the truck

1017
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:18,390
we're putting the gear in the truck we

1018
00:43:22,220 --> 00:43:20,010
get in the sleeping bags we're looking

1019
00:43:24,319 --> 00:43:22,230
up at the sky we're bumbling down the

1020
00:43:26,329 --> 00:43:24,329
dirt road the Mary you know the husband

1021
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:26,339
is driving the wife is sitting next to

1022
00:43:31,339 --> 00:43:29,609
him and all of a sudden I see from my

1023
00:43:35,380 --> 00:43:31,349
left what I thought was a shooting star

1024
00:43:37,420 --> 00:43:35,390
and this white orb stops directly

1025
00:43:40,829 --> 00:43:37,430
over the truck and this is probably

1026
00:43:43,809 --> 00:43:40,839
maybe a hundred feet up in the air and I

1027
00:43:46,059 --> 00:43:43,819
am thinking to myself what the heck and

1028
00:43:48,849 --> 00:43:46,069
before I can even sit up another one is

1029
00:43:51,700 --> 00:43:48,859
joined from my right and the two are now

1030
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:51,710
directly above the truck the two orbs

1031
00:43:57,220 --> 00:43:54,650
start to spin around one another a third

1032
00:44:01,059 --> 00:43:57,230
blips out eventually and they fought

1033
00:44:04,029 --> 00:44:01,069
make a triangle formation and it was

1034
00:44:05,769 --> 00:44:04,039
just phenomenal I remember we SAT up we

1035
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:05,779
wrapped on the back of the truck you

1036
00:44:11,289 --> 00:44:08,210
know to tell our friends hey look up

1037
00:44:13,509 --> 00:44:11,299
they were stunned and that's what

1038
00:44:15,490 --> 00:44:13,519
everything gets real weird irie have

1039
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:15,500
recalled to the point that the truck

1040
00:44:21,220 --> 00:44:18,650
completely is drained of energy it we

1041
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:21,230
went from being very excited to being

1042
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:23,210
absolutely terrified because these

1043
00:44:29,470 --> 00:44:25,970
things were descending upon the truck we

1044
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:29,480
were eventually engulfed in a blue light

1045
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:35,690
and the body memory of being pulled up

1046
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:40,130
into this energy of the craft was very

1047
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:42,650
much what I had experienced all my life

1048
00:44:48,359 --> 00:44:45,440
but I had no place to kind of fit that

1049
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:48,369
in so I do identify as being a childhood

1050
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:52,250
contactee had many many many experiences

1051
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:54,079
my whole childhood but didn't have any

1052
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:55,970
context to put it in so I kind of just

1053
00:45:00,249 --> 00:44:57,410
blocked it out and again this is a

1054
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:00,259
fascinating area of the research we're

1055
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:02,210
finding that that over and over again

1056
00:45:06,220 --> 00:45:04,730
that a lot of these childhood cases they

1057
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:06,230
kind of dismiss it they go through

1058
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:08,930
puberty they try to to you know block it

1059
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:11,599
out for whatever reason and then BAM oh

1060
00:45:16,990 --> 00:45:13,490
there's an adult awakening and it all

1061
00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:17,000
kind of comes back hey uh huh I talked

1062
00:45:21,759 --> 00:45:19,250
to Denise stoner back i don't know i

1063
00:45:24,279 --> 00:45:21,769
think was about eight months ago

1064
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:24,289
something like that and we talked about

1065
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:27,410
the commonalities and i thought that was

1066
00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:29,210
pretty interesting but one of the things

1067
00:45:36,490 --> 00:45:33,250
i want to ask you do you have any

1068
00:45:38,670 --> 00:45:36,500
reference to anything that is just way

1069
00:45:41,049 --> 00:45:38,680
out there different i mean do you have

1070
00:45:43,450 --> 00:45:41,059
what people claim to have encounters

1071
00:45:48,190 --> 00:45:43,460
that it just doesn't fit but it still

1072
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:48,200
sounds credible in a way no no typically

1073
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:48,800
to

1074
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:50,960
quickly there's such a pattern that when

1075
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:52,850
things don't fit it's not that I won't

1076
00:45:58,240 --> 00:45:55,040
look at the data and believe me I'm

1077
00:46:00,070 --> 00:45:58,250
growing every day every every day I'm

1078
00:46:04,660 --> 00:46:00,080
learning something new so I really have

1079
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:04,670
had to stretch myself but I would say

1080
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:08,960
that I would in what I'm interested in

1081
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:10,880
researching with this is that yes I'd

1082
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:12,290
like to stick with things that actually

1083
00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:15,050
fit what we already know now let me give

1084
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:19,040
you a perfect example when ET okay it

1085
00:46:23,230 --> 00:46:21,410
disrupts the environment and in the

1086
00:46:26,980 --> 00:46:23,240
early research you would hear a lot of

1087
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:26,990
what missing time ok so when and contact

1088
00:46:33,130 --> 00:46:31,040
e is taken they will sense cognitively

1089
00:46:35,350 --> 00:46:33,140
that they've had a block of missing time

1090
00:46:37,810 --> 00:46:35,360
ok not only were they physically

1091
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:37,820
typically not in the environment that

1092
00:46:40,990 --> 00:46:39,650
they were last seen by family members

1093
00:46:43,540 --> 00:46:41,000
there's all kinds of markers in the

1094
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:43,550
casework right that you could do to do

1095
00:46:46,900 --> 00:46:45,290
have these certain things proven so this

1096
00:46:48,700 --> 00:46:46,910
is we came up with missing time right

1097
00:46:51,070 --> 00:46:48,710
somewhere along an abduction research

1098
00:46:53,230 --> 00:46:51,080
certainly not me this has been way way

1099
00:46:54,580 --> 00:46:53,240
before me now a new trend that I'm

1100
00:46:56,530 --> 00:46:54,590
seeing and I've discuss with other

1101
00:46:58,690 --> 00:46:56,540
researchers that again their caseloads

1102
00:47:00,670 --> 00:46:58,700
much heavier than mine and they have

1103
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:00,680
entire teams such as joe montaldo at I

1104
00:47:05,380 --> 00:47:02,960
car very involved in this research but

1105
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:05,390
there's the idea that you would be

1106
00:47:13,210 --> 00:47:09,490
contactee is sometimes put back a day

1107
00:47:16,570 --> 00:47:13,220
sooner ok so the contactees are

1108
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:16,580
reporting deja vu they're reliving an

1109
00:47:21,340 --> 00:47:18,890
entire day all over again or a variation

1110
00:47:23,140 --> 00:47:21,350
because the timelines are so easy I

1111
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:23,150
don't know how this works that's why I

1112
00:47:27,580 --> 00:47:26,210
think like this is crazy a bit but

1113
00:47:29,710 --> 00:47:27,590
certainly if you can have missing time

1114
00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:29,720
that I pursue it the reason you know if

1115
00:47:33,490 --> 00:47:31,730
they can manipulate time and and all of

1116
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:33,500
that so again I don't know that that's

1117
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:34,850
why I'm gonna leave it to the scientist

1118
00:47:39,940 --> 00:47:37,760
I just I just kind of as the experiencer

1119
00:47:43,210 --> 00:47:39,950
I try to be as open as I possibly can

1120
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:43,220
and get this information and and it's

1121
00:47:47,830 --> 00:47:45,890
okay if I sound nuts to me I mean I

1122
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:47,840
don't mind because I get that I'm like

1123
00:47:53,830 --> 00:47:51,650
no problem you know what we doing we do

1124
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:53,840
fight this is my niche I mean you'd have

1125
00:47:58,840 --> 00:47:56,720
to be crazy number one is stick with and

1126
00:47:59,890 --> 00:47:58,850
we laugh about it too it's great oh and

1127
00:48:02,440 --> 00:47:59,900
I should say

1128
00:48:06,490 --> 00:48:02,450
that out of our board all but two are

1129
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:06,500
experiencers in other words so that to

1130
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:07,760
me is amazing and I'm not going to

1131
00:48:12,490 --> 00:48:10,010
divulge the two that aren't I get asked

1132
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:12,500
that all the time and a lot of folks to

1133
00:48:17,529 --> 00:48:14,960
it's not safe for them so understand

1134
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:17,539
that many will my understanding is a lot

1135
00:48:21,220 --> 00:48:19,490
of people make the assumption that

1136
00:48:23,710 --> 00:48:21,230
because they've seen a craft but they

1137
00:48:25,299 --> 00:48:23,720
don't have memory of contact well I'm

1138
00:48:28,029 --> 00:48:25,309
following cases like that too and

1139
00:48:31,329 --> 00:48:28,039
eventually there's some contacts markers

1140
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:31,339
that start to flood back mm-hmm so does

1141
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:34,480
it have to do with the extraterrestrials

1142
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:37,010
manipulating us or does it have to do

1143
00:48:41,620 --> 00:48:39,410
with our own human consciousness that's

1144
00:48:45,039 --> 00:48:41,630
the question does it have to do with

1145
00:48:47,950 --> 00:48:45,049
when we are ready on some level to

1146
00:48:49,539 --> 00:48:47,960
interact with these and you know

1147
00:48:53,470 --> 00:48:49,549
intelligences these apparently

1148
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:53,480
otherworldly beings mm-hmm that makes a

1149
00:48:58,569 --> 00:48:56,000
lot of sense now just the one question

1150
00:49:01,990 --> 00:48:58,579
that I'm sure you get asked all the time

1151
00:49:04,990 --> 00:49:02,000
is what do you think they want and why

1152
00:49:06,940 --> 00:49:05,000
would they be abducting all these

1153
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:06,950
hundreds of thousands of people what

1154
00:49:11,650 --> 00:49:08,960
what benefit for them could they

1155
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:11,660
possibly be getting if that's the case

1156
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:14,240
oh you know maybe they're just gonna eat

1157
00:49:18,609 --> 00:49:16,250
us blah blah blah I mean you hear so

1158
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:18,619
many theories it's really ridiculous I

1159
00:49:21,549 --> 00:49:20,210
think we should pay attention to

1160
00:49:24,130 --> 00:49:21,559
everything but the more important

1161
00:49:27,849 --> 00:49:24,140
question to ask is what would we want

1162
00:49:30,010 --> 00:49:27,859
with them um I don't see to me it's a

1163
00:49:33,039 --> 00:49:30,020
consciousness thing and anyone that's

1164
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:33,049
had any kind of telepathic experience

1165
00:49:37,779 --> 00:49:35,839
with these beings and I did a little

1166
00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:37,789
writing but I need to do more about this

1167
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:39,529
because this is really important what

1168
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:41,569
I've been tracking is that with the

1169
00:49:45,609 --> 00:49:43,760
contactee when they're 10 it again

1170
00:49:47,049 --> 00:49:45,619
depends on the being so that's why I

1171
00:49:49,269 --> 00:49:47,059
love when people what do you think their

1172
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:49,279
agenda is well what they are we talking

1173
00:49:53,890 --> 00:49:50,960
about reptilian we talking about mantic

1174
00:49:57,730 --> 00:49:53,900
beings greys we're talking about greys

1175
00:49:59,620 --> 00:49:57,740
that live purportedly on chips okay and

1176
00:50:02,170 --> 00:49:59,630
they've never even they don't live on

1177
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:02,180
planets are we talking about greys you

1178
00:50:05,980 --> 00:50:04,130
know you know what i mean so i'm not i

1179
00:50:08,109 --> 00:50:05,990
don't have my own spaceship i wish i did

1180
00:50:10,420 --> 00:50:08,119
i'd be up there so you know maybe

1181
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:10,430
although i'ma was to write because

1182
00:50:13,540 --> 00:50:12,319
anytime i watch like space stuff i get

1183
00:50:15,370 --> 00:50:13,550
sick to my stomach ever

1184
00:50:17,380 --> 00:50:15,380
time I've been in on a craft environment

1185
00:50:19,930 --> 00:50:17,390
I throw up so those are markers that I

1186
00:50:25,450 --> 00:50:19,940
work for and I'm serious I throw up I

1187
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:25,460
gets wicked just seasick over it so um I

1188
00:50:29,530 --> 00:50:27,680
don't know what all the agendas are and

1189
00:50:30,970 --> 00:50:29,540
I think that's why there is not one of

1190
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:30,980
these are excellent questions by the way

1191
00:50:36,340 --> 00:50:33,890
but there's not this is why the research

1192
00:50:38,740 --> 00:50:36,350
this is why I think experiencers even if

1193
00:50:41,050 --> 00:50:38,750
they're anonymous not only do we have to

1194
00:50:42,970 --> 00:50:41,060
support one another and stick together

1195
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:42,980
because the biggest thing in the field

1196
00:50:47,290 --> 00:50:45,650
right now okay like it and I'll tell you

1197
00:50:50,050 --> 00:50:47,300
one of my favorite things is acting as a

1198
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:50,060
buddy to other experiencers once they

1199
00:50:56,620 --> 00:50:54,170
feel heard and validated and oh gosh

1200
00:50:59,440 --> 00:50:56,630
okay I know I knew it wasn't crazy okay

1201
00:51:02,140 --> 00:50:59,450
then we can calm down and really start

1202
00:51:04,660 --> 00:51:02,150
to look at what's going on with their

1203
00:51:07,540 --> 00:51:04,670
contact experiences so how could I

1204
00:51:09,550 --> 00:51:07,550
possibly know what the agenda is I

1205
00:51:12,010 --> 00:51:09,560
wouldn't I don't know what the agenda is

1206
00:51:14,020 --> 00:51:12,020
I know what my conversations are with

1207
00:51:15,850 --> 00:51:14,030
the ETS that I've been in contact with

1208
00:51:18,460 --> 00:51:15,860
and those conversations are very

1209
00:51:20,290 --> 00:51:18,470
specifically that we need to be better

1210
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:20,300
guardians of our planet and that we need

1211
00:51:26,980 --> 00:51:23,690
to cease and desist with the wars and

1212
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:26,990
nukes especially so I know that's not

1213
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:28,310
going to be I'm not going to be a fan of

1214
00:51:31,810 --> 00:51:30,530
a lot of folks but it does go back to

1215
00:51:33,250 --> 00:51:31,820
the little news item right they were

1216
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:33,260
talking about and if we could go on

1217
00:51:39,700 --> 00:51:36,290
forever about that and why are these

1218
00:51:41,500 --> 00:51:39,710
UFOs going and shutting monitoring or

1219
00:51:43,690 --> 00:51:41,510
shutting the installations down and

1220
00:51:45,550 --> 00:51:43,700
they're not being jerks about it they're

1221
00:51:47,650 --> 00:51:45,560
not initiating war from what I can see

1222
00:51:50,050 --> 00:51:47,660
they're just saying guys knock it off

1223
00:51:53,110 --> 00:51:50,060
what'd you do to your planet does affect

1224
00:51:54,970 --> 00:51:53,120
us too we tend to make everything

1225
00:51:56,410 --> 00:51:54,980
although their ETS we'll wait a minute

1226
00:51:59,110 --> 00:51:56,420
did it occur to people that they have

1227
00:52:02,530 --> 00:51:59,120
babies too does it occur to humanity

1228
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:02,540
that they have families Oh or is it part

1229
00:52:05,350 --> 00:52:04,010
of the programming don't know their

1230
00:52:08,290 --> 00:52:05,360
robotic they all work at a hive

1231
00:52:09,940 --> 00:52:08,300
mentality does that kind of make us feel

1232
00:52:11,770 --> 00:52:09,950
somewhat indifferent so that we don't

1233
00:52:14,020 --> 00:52:11,780
have to deal with this intelligence is

1234
00:52:16,420 --> 00:52:14,030
that we insulate ourselves or do we

1235
00:52:18,250 --> 00:52:16,430
perhaps a Oh hold up wait a minute you

1236
00:52:19,780 --> 00:52:18,260
know is our tendency to go with to war

1237
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:19,790
with everything that we don't understand

1238
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:22,250
or should we try to achieve Communion

1239
00:52:29,290 --> 00:52:26,250
and what is communion but to understand

1240
00:52:31,820 --> 00:52:29,300
and to be able to see what do you value

1241
00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:31,830
what's important to you are they here

1242
00:52:36,590 --> 00:52:34,110
just for our resources and either way we

1243
00:52:38,180 --> 00:52:36,600
need to wake up to me either way it's

1244
00:52:39,860 --> 00:52:38,190
great that we're looking and documenting

1245
00:52:42,050 --> 00:52:39,870
UFOs in the sky love it because that

1246
00:52:44,900 --> 00:52:42,060
only furthers what's going on you know

1247
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:44,910
within to me the real guts the juice of

1248
00:52:50,300 --> 00:52:47,490
it is with the experiencers the sacred

1249
00:52:52,250 --> 00:52:50,310
truth tellers is dr. the late dr. John

1250
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,260
Mack referred to the math and as and I

1251
00:52:56,930 --> 00:52:54,720
think that that's very accurate well

1252
00:52:59,090 --> 00:52:56,940
because it takes a lot of guts I mean

1253
00:53:00,920 --> 00:52:59,100
who wants to say oh I got abducted by

1254
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:00,930
aliens and I've heard it all we don't

1255
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:03,090
have to talk about the alien probes or

1256
00:53:08,690 --> 00:53:06,690
any of this I've heard it all well one

1257
00:53:10,940 --> 00:53:08,700
thing I do i do want to ask you while

1258
00:53:14,750 --> 00:53:10,950
we're on this subject and we have about

1259
00:53:18,290 --> 00:53:14,760
seven minutes or so left and that is how

1260
00:53:21,620 --> 00:53:18,300
has this affected relationships not only

1261
00:53:25,370 --> 00:53:21,630
with you but people you know how does

1262
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:25,380
that work when I mean you are obviously

1263
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:29,130
really into this and you know you're

1264
00:53:33,350 --> 00:53:31,050
doing your work that you're doing so

1265
00:53:35,810 --> 00:53:33,360
someone like you I imagine you have to

1266
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:35,820
live and breathe it to to be as

1267
00:53:40,570 --> 00:53:38,640
dedicated as you are and how does how

1268
00:53:42,980 --> 00:53:40,580
does when you're going through life

1269
00:53:45,950 --> 00:53:42,990
friendships relationships anything like

1270
00:53:47,900 --> 00:53:45,960
that what goes on with that oh my gosh

1271
00:53:50,990 --> 00:53:47,910
what what an absolutely beautiful

1272
00:53:52,550 --> 00:53:51,000
question this is an area to i would say

1273
00:53:56,030 --> 00:53:52,560
in the research well first off I should

1274
00:54:00,140 --> 00:53:56,040
say that my entire family does not like

1275
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:00,150
that I study UFO state my mom you know

1276
00:54:04,550 --> 00:54:02,610
just know hates it and you know again

1277
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:04,560
different belief systems religiously or

1278
00:54:09,350 --> 00:54:06,810
whatever okay so there's that then the

1279
00:54:11,870 --> 00:54:09,360
interpersonal relationships not only in

1280
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:11,880
mine I just recently not too long a

1281
00:54:16,100 --> 00:54:13,290
couple years ago went through a divorce

1282
00:54:18,020 --> 00:54:16,110
but again just that not people not

1283
00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:18,030
really getting it or understanding it

1284
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:20,700
which is fine but again what I'm

1285
00:54:24,140 --> 00:54:22,290
tracking is what's going on in the

1286
00:54:25,900 --> 00:54:24,150
relationships too with a lot of the

1287
00:54:29,300 --> 00:54:25,910
contactees and what we're finding is

1288
00:54:32,170 --> 00:54:29,310
many times the more advanced that the

1289
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:32,180
contact dee gets in their own awakening

1290
00:54:38,990 --> 00:54:36,210
they will oftentimes divorce and find

1291
00:54:41,150 --> 00:54:39,000
another contact eight another happy

1292
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:41,160
so we'll see what and this is another

1293
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:42,960
part of the research but I did I love it

1294
00:54:47,300 --> 00:54:45,450
I love it now what is it done for me in

1295
00:54:49,340 --> 00:54:47,310
my relationships with humanity and

1296
00:54:50,810 --> 00:54:49,350
relationship primarily with myself my

1297
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:50,820
understanding of the Creator these are

1298
00:54:56,750 --> 00:54:54,240
the important I have a much broader

1299
00:55:00,440 --> 00:54:56,760
concept of a universal creator whatever

1300
00:55:02,270 --> 00:55:00,450
that looks like and then the friendships

1301
00:55:04,670 --> 00:55:02,280
it's sweetened my friendships the

1302
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:04,680
experiencers have become like family to

1303
00:55:09,770 --> 00:55:07,890
me so I really and I still adore my

1304
00:55:11,660 --> 00:55:09,780
earthling family but I have a lot of

1305
00:55:14,420 --> 00:55:11,670
thing weird UFO people are star children

1306
00:55:16,220 --> 00:55:14,430
that I just absolutely adore their crazy

1307
00:55:19,010 --> 00:55:16,230
like me so it's really enriched my life

1308
00:55:21,410 --> 00:55:19,020
and in many ways and I do think it would

1309
00:55:23,930 --> 00:55:21,420
have been easier you to to hide my light

1310
00:55:25,940 --> 00:55:23,940
to dumb myself down you just simply shut

1311
00:55:28,220 --> 00:55:25,950
up and go away but I've decided that

1312
00:55:30,410 --> 00:55:28,230
that is not the path to take that it is

1313
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:30,420
important to be bold so that I can be a

1314
00:55:35,450 --> 00:55:33,330
voice for the other experiences globally

1315
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:35,460
as they find their voice and step out

1316
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:38,130
and say hey yeah this is me too oh by

1317
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:40,610
the way in regards to coming out mm-hmm

1318
00:55:45,980 --> 00:55:43,650
we are having a experiencer liberation

1319
00:55:48,260 --> 00:55:45,990
day on october fish fifth I'm sorry

1320
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:48,270
first 2015 we're going to be selling

1321
00:55:52,970 --> 00:55:51,570
pins on our website and I was though

1322
00:55:54,170 --> 00:55:52,980
it's going to be very exciting and I did

1323
00:55:59,090 --> 00:55:54,180
want to mention again that starborn

1324
00:56:01,340 --> 00:55:59,100
support is going to be also having their

1325
00:56:03,620 --> 00:56:01,350
next event I believe the last week of

1326
00:56:06,980 --> 00:56:03,630
august so go on starborn supports the

1327
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:06,990
experiencer speak conference yep come to

1328
00:56:10,550 --> 00:56:08,640
people you know Audrey actually came

1329
00:56:12,980 --> 00:56:10,560
over to my house and we sat down and

1330
00:56:15,410 --> 00:56:12,990
recorded and it was just one of those

1331
00:56:18,290 --> 00:56:15,420
times I've had this happen twice where

1332
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:18,300
the recording didn't come out so i'll

1333
00:56:22,690 --> 00:56:19,770
have to have her on sometimes she's a

1334
00:56:25,700 --> 00:56:22,700
real nice nice lady yeah she's fantastic

1335
00:56:27,770 --> 00:56:25,710
and she does a nice job she did very

1336
00:56:29,930 --> 00:56:27,780
well organized i went to the experience

1337
00:56:33,770 --> 00:56:29,940
to speak not last year but the year

1338
00:56:36,110 --> 00:56:33,780
before very well organized great

1339
00:56:39,410 --> 00:56:36,120
speakers and you know i know how hard

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that is just from events that i put on

1341
00:56:44,900 --> 00:56:42,810
not related to the UFOs and experiences

1342
00:56:46,430 --> 00:56:44,910
or any of that but you know takes a lot

1343
00:56:50,300 --> 00:56:46,440
of real dedication to put something like

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00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:50,310
that on a lot of hard work insurance yes

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00:56:54,170 --> 00:56:52,890
and so we just have a couple more min

1346
00:56:57,590 --> 00:56:54,180
so if there's anything else you want to

1347
00:56:59,240 --> 00:56:57,600
say about your website or to actually

1348
00:57:01,790 --> 00:56:59,250
have does that have a Facebook page as

1349
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:01,800
well know what we do we do so if you

1350
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:03,810
just look for free experiencers on

1351
00:57:07,820 --> 00:57:06,240
facebook you can find our group and we

1352
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:07,830
have several admins and there's so many

1353
00:57:11,180 --> 00:57:08,970
people again that i haven't mentioned

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00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:11,190
tonight I just want to thank Dana don

1355
00:57:17,060 --> 00:57:13,410
don one as well for being the website

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00:57:20,420 --> 00:57:17,070
creator of again free which is

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00:57:22,490 --> 00:57:20,430
experienced or dot CEO and it's a very

1358
00:57:24,650 --> 00:57:22,500
nice website by the way and that will be

1359
00:57:27,770 --> 00:57:24,660
linked in our show notes that's

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00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:27,780
fantastic I appreciate that great that

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00:57:32,590 --> 00:57:30,690
you bet so how can someone reach you if

1362
00:57:34,970 --> 00:57:32,600
you would like to be contacted by them

1363
00:57:36,410 --> 00:57:34,980
excellent question so the best way right

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00:57:38,330 --> 00:57:36,420
now we have a couple of people that

1365
00:57:40,490 --> 00:57:38,340
helped source the email for everyone but

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00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:40,500
they can just identify that they'd like

1367
00:57:44,420 --> 00:57:42,450
me specifically and then that will get

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00:57:47,050 --> 00:57:44,430
forwarded by the admins to me so the

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00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:47,060
email is free that's f ree at

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00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:50,250
experiencer co and then from there once

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00:57:53,810 --> 00:57:51,810
i established relationship with the

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00:57:57,470 --> 00:57:53,820
individual you'll have all my

1373
00:57:59,060 --> 00:57:57,480
information ok well I'm going to do

1374
00:58:00,740 --> 00:57:59,070
something I've never done before and

1375
00:58:03,590 --> 00:58:00,750
that's i'm i'm switching guests in the

1376
00:58:06,170 --> 00:58:03,600
middle of this you know this to our show

1377
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:06,180
so you'll have to bear with me everyone

1378
00:58:08,750 --> 00:58:07,290
it's going to be just a little bit

1379
00:58:10,850 --> 00:58:08,760
tricky and i want to thank you very very

1380
00:58:12,740 --> 00:58:10,860
much for coming on the show tonight

1381
00:58:14,540 --> 00:58:12,750
thank you for having me Martin it's been

1382
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:14,550
a pleasure and it'll be nice to catch up

1383
00:58:19,940 --> 00:58:16,650
and see you in person hopefully this

1384
00:58:25,780 --> 00:58:19,950
next August I hope so I hope so Oh take

1385
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:25,790
care you two thank you angel how are you

1386
00:58:31,010 --> 00:58:29,010
how are you doing sir I'm well thank you

1387
00:58:33,350 --> 00:58:31,020
and now for the live listener I'm sorry

1388
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:33,360
for any of the technical difficulty we

1389
00:58:37,820 --> 00:58:35,130
just had I knew it was going to be a

1390
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:37,830
little bit tricky so welcomed it always

1391
00:58:41,450 --> 00:58:39,450
is with modern technology isn't it

1392
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:41,460
that's right so welcome to the show

1393
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:45,410
angel and I heard you on I think it was

1394
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:49,200
open minds and I really liked your view

1395
00:58:55,850 --> 00:58:52,650
and understand basically on you know UFO

1396
00:58:59,540 --> 00:58:55,860
research you're you're not to fringy

1397
00:59:01,970 --> 00:58:59,550
which I always enjoy listening to so

1398
00:59:04,490 --> 00:59:01,980
first of all you let's talk about your

1399
00:59:06,620 --> 00:59:04,500
background you you actually you actually

1400
00:59:08,900 --> 00:59:06,630
were kind to me in the past

1401
00:59:12,740 --> 00:59:08,910
and offered me a spot i believe at one

1402
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:12,750
point on your show and going way back so

1403
00:59:17,150 --> 00:59:14,400
why don't we talk about your show and

1404
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:17,160
and when it is and you have a lot of

1405
00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:18,690
people on that as well that's pretty

1406
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:21,089
successful from what I hear it's doing

1407
00:59:26,029 --> 00:59:23,490
pretty well it is our show airs every

1408
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:26,039
Tuesday night Wednesday morning

1409
00:59:30,049 --> 00:59:27,599
depending on where you are one in the

1410
00:59:31,609 --> 00:59:30,059
morning eastern time on Dark Matter

1411
00:59:33,470 --> 00:59:31,619
radio network right here it's it's

1412
00:59:35,749 --> 00:59:33,480
called sky watchers radio for those not

1413
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:35,759
familiar with the show I am the main

1414
00:59:41,269 --> 00:59:37,890
host along with me as Allen my co-host

1415
00:59:43,339 --> 00:59:41,279
the show's actually ran for nearly six

1416
00:59:45,259 --> 00:59:43,349
years now five and a half years on and

1417
00:59:47,630 --> 00:59:45,269
off we actually had about a two year

1418
00:59:49,309 --> 00:59:47,640
break in between the original host and

1419
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:49,319
myself that did the show was actually

1420
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:51,359
four of us they're no longer involved

1421
00:59:54,740 --> 00:59:52,890
with the show we kind of retooled and

1422
00:59:56,660 --> 00:59:54,750
rebooted when we came on to the Dark

1423
00:59:58,279 --> 00:59:56,670
Matter radio network and we just

1424
01:00:00,769 --> 00:59:58,289
celebrated our one year anniversary in

1425
01:00:03,140 --> 01:00:00,779
December which was awesome right when

1426
01:00:07,759 --> 01:00:03,150
you're on dark matter that's a feat I

1427
01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:07,769
think wonderful wonderful and so I'm

1428
01:00:12,650 --> 01:00:09,569
sorry we just were having the chat room

1429
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:12,660
here also so if anyone is listening live

1430
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:15,119
well check so I got room jump right over

1431
01:00:21,019 --> 01:00:17,730
to the podcast UFO calm and take a swig

1432
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:21,029
us a quick sign in so how did you get

1433
01:00:26,539 --> 01:00:24,450
interested in these topics wow that's

1434
01:00:28,249 --> 01:00:26,549
interesting out it goes back to the 80's

1435
01:00:29,930 --> 01:00:28,259
I used to live in california as a kid

1436
01:00:31,490 --> 01:00:29,940
and i had a sighting out in California

1437
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:31,500
as a little kid I was playing the

1438
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:33,210
backyard with a friend of mine and we

1439
01:00:37,940 --> 01:00:35,730
both saw this thing the sky and we were

1440
01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:37,950
stared at it into it flew right into the

1441
01:00:42,650 --> 01:00:40,319
into the abyss of nothingness it just

1442
01:00:44,690 --> 01:00:42,660
disappeared and it you know that

1443
01:00:47,029 --> 01:00:44,700
motorized me as a kid I'd never really

1444
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:47,039
thought of it as an alien being or it's

1445
01:00:49,549 --> 01:00:48,690
like that I just even as a kid I thought

1446
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:49,559
it might have been some kind of a

1447
01:00:53,180 --> 01:00:50,970
government aircraft there's no because I

1448
01:00:55,279 --> 01:00:53,190
was really into aviation and planes and

1449
01:00:56,809 --> 01:00:55,289
whatnot as a kid so I was like I

1450
01:00:58,279 --> 01:00:56,819
automatically thought all that must be

1451
01:01:00,230 --> 01:00:58,289
some kind of a government spy plane or

1452
01:01:01,759 --> 01:01:00,240
something that's what I thought but I

1453
01:01:04,279 --> 01:01:01,769
was really really captivated by the

1454
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:04,289
subject and along the way over the years

1455
01:01:08,029 --> 01:01:05,970
I was also a big fan of sci-fi movies

1456
01:01:10,519 --> 01:01:08,039
like Star Wars and Star Trek and a big

1457
01:01:13,370 --> 01:01:10,529
track he also and Star Wars fanatic and

1458
01:01:14,809 --> 01:01:13,380
you know the subject always was near and

1459
01:01:17,150 --> 01:01:14,819
dear to my heart because of the movies

1460
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:17,160
and things that I that I liked and then

1461
01:01:22,310 --> 01:01:20,010
I heard of a story there really

1462
01:01:25,340 --> 01:01:22,320
captured my attention in the late 90s in

1463
01:01:26,540 --> 01:01:25,350
the late 80s Early 90s and that was the

1464
01:01:30,140 --> 01:01:26,550
most certain gentleman by the name of

1465
01:01:33,950 --> 01:01:30,150
Travis Walton aha and literally his

1466
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:33,960
story completely shaped what you hear

1467
01:01:38,750 --> 01:01:36,240
today on radio with me it completely

1468
01:01:41,570 --> 01:01:38,760
blew me away that he had this experience

1469
01:01:44,090 --> 01:01:41,580
that he was there with witnesses who

1470
01:01:46,220 --> 01:01:44,100
were there and saw him go through it and

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01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:46,230
they all passed pilot on polygraph test

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01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:48,090
they were searching for this man for

1473
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:49,530
days and they couldn't find him

1474
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:51,330
literally they thought they had murdered

1475
01:01:55,970 --> 01:01:54,210
Travis and that really being away

1476
01:01:57,860 --> 01:01:55,980
because here's the one story now that we

1477
01:01:59,840 --> 01:01:57,870
don't only have somebody telling his

1478
01:02:03,530 --> 01:01:59,850
story or something to happen to them but

1479
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:03,540
you have I witnesses you have police you

1480
01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:05,850
have an actual investigation involved

1481
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:08,160
polygraph tests all kinds of evidence

1482
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:10,890
that is tangible evidence in that really

1483
01:02:14,930 --> 01:02:12,930
sparked my interest and then along the

1484
01:02:17,450 --> 01:02:14,940
way as you know growing up in the 90s

1485
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:17,460
80s and 90s kid that's what I was I

1486
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:20,160
heard of another voice on radio by the

1487
01:02:23,870 --> 01:02:22,410
name of art bell ah which I'm sure it's

1488
01:02:26,330 --> 01:02:23,880
familiar to everybody here on Dark

1489
01:02:27,530 --> 01:02:26,340
Matter radio network in an art really is

1490
01:02:29,390 --> 01:02:27,540
the inspiration for just about

1491
01:02:31,610 --> 01:02:29,400
everything that I've done on radio sense

1492
01:02:33,740 --> 01:02:31,620
i mean his format you know completely

1493
01:02:35,420 --> 01:02:33,750
stole me i was one of the few kids who

1494
01:02:38,330 --> 01:02:35,430
was rather listen to our bill as a kid

1495
01:02:39,620 --> 01:02:38,340
then go out and play sports or or be you

1496
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:39,630
know hanging out with friends overnight

1497
01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:41,280
or sun like I was more interested in

1498
01:02:45,050 --> 01:02:43,440
just listening to art bell on the radio

1499
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:45,060
because he really had just interesting

1500
01:02:49,190 --> 01:02:47,370
guests after interesting guests and that

1501
01:02:50,900 --> 01:02:49,200
really is were you know shaped my

1502
01:02:52,490 --> 01:02:50,910
interest in getting into rating for a

1503
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:52,500
long time I actually wanted to do radio

1504
01:02:57,530 --> 01:02:55,890
and I thought about it I I you know I

1505
01:02:59,720 --> 01:02:57,540
talked to friends who are in the

1506
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:59,730
industry just to pick their brain and

1507
01:03:02,660 --> 01:03:00,960
what they would do and you know how

1508
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:02,670
would they would do a show but I'd never

1509
01:03:06,830 --> 01:03:04,650
really knew how to go about it until i

1510
01:03:09,590 --> 01:03:06,840
would say about six years ago I found

1511
01:03:12,170 --> 01:03:09,600
online podcasting now it was kind of in

1512
01:03:14,540 --> 01:03:12,180
his infancy stage still six seven years

1513
01:03:15,830 --> 01:03:14,550
ago but the one show that really caught

1514
01:03:19,730 --> 01:03:15,840
my attention on the internet was

1515
01:03:21,290 --> 01:03:19,740
alejandro rojas UFO think tank and that

1516
01:03:22,850 --> 01:03:21,300
was one of the first shows that I really

1517
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:22,860
heard and paid attention to for a long

1518
01:03:26,420 --> 01:03:24,810
period of time and just you know

1519
01:03:28,610 --> 01:03:26,430
listening to him to do what he did I

1520
01:03:30,770 --> 01:03:28,620
really told me that a you know I could

1521
01:03:32,090 --> 01:03:30,780
probably do some in this and I started

1522
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:32,100
doing a little podcast along the way

1523
01:03:35,279 --> 01:03:32,650
with some

1524
01:03:37,380 --> 01:03:35,289
there was nothing serious and you know

1525
01:03:38,750 --> 01:03:37,390
Alejandro heard and Jesse Randolph heard

1526
01:03:41,010 --> 01:03:38,760
and a couple other people herded and

1527
01:03:42,660 --> 01:03:41,020
they started talking to me about you

1528
01:03:44,370 --> 01:03:42,670
know with what i should do differently

1529
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:44,380
than what i was doing at that at that

1530
01:03:47,609 --> 01:03:46,210
moment and how to maybe take you

1531
01:03:51,260 --> 01:03:47,619
followed a little bit more serious and

1532
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:51,270
do it you know a little bit more um I

1533
01:03:55,170 --> 01:03:54,010
guess formatted because it was kind of

1534
01:03:57,180 --> 01:03:55,180
all over the place before and really

1535
01:03:59,220 --> 01:03:57,190
format the shows and do it properly and

1536
01:04:00,690 --> 01:03:59,230
really helped me a lot and I give a lot

1537
01:04:03,150 --> 01:04:00,700
of credit to Alejandro and Jesse for

1538
01:04:04,470 --> 01:04:03,160
their help early on and if you don't you

1539
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:04,480
guys don't know what Jesse Randolph is

1540
01:04:11,370 --> 01:04:08,890
look up you for not radio late show you

1541
01:04:12,930 --> 01:04:11,380
had a show for a long time and he's

1542
01:04:15,180 --> 01:04:12,940
unfortunately not doing it anymore but

1543
01:04:16,650 --> 01:04:15,190
he's a really good host and you know

1544
01:04:19,410 --> 01:04:16,660
that's really what got me into into

1545
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:19,420
podcasting on the internet and I've met

1546
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:21,490
a couple friends Jeremiah Greer from

1547
01:04:25,319 --> 01:04:23,410
tenacity radios shadows in the dark

1548
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:25,329
which he's also not hound radio anymore

1549
01:04:30,569 --> 01:04:27,970
which is a shame and he's the first

1550
01:04:32,279 --> 01:04:30,579
person took me out of the block talk you

1551
01:04:33,779 --> 01:04:32,289
know I don't know Knobloch talk radio

1552
01:04:35,700 --> 01:04:33,789
but took me out of that format in and

1553
01:04:38,010 --> 01:04:35,710
said you know let me you should try out

1554
01:04:39,269 --> 01:04:38,020
shoutcast and you know that was the

1555
01:04:44,940 --> 01:04:39,279
first station that I was on the internet

1556
01:04:47,069 --> 01:04:44,950
was on his radio station mm-hmm well one

1557
01:04:48,390 --> 01:04:47,079
of the things I thought about art bell

1558
01:04:52,349 --> 01:04:48,400
the first time I heard him and it was

1559
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:52,359
many years ago and it's like I wasn't

1560
01:04:55,500 --> 01:04:53,770
even listening to the subject i was

1561
01:04:58,410 --> 01:04:55,510
thinking boy this guy is just a natural

1562
01:05:01,529 --> 01:04:58,420
I mean he was just a natural on the air

1563
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:01,539
and but I really once I started

1564
01:05:06,150 --> 01:05:03,130
listening and hearing all these

1565
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:06,160
interesting things you know really got

1566
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:08,650
me hooked I can understand that ya know

1567
01:05:12,839 --> 01:05:11,200
for me it was funny because I I would

1568
01:05:14,279 --> 01:05:12,849
hang out with friends and buddies and

1569
01:05:15,510 --> 01:05:14,289
you know friends from school and one

1570
01:05:17,339 --> 01:05:15,520
night I would tell me have you heard Art

1571
01:05:18,660 --> 01:05:17,349
Bell before and they'll be like this

1572
01:05:20,579 --> 01:05:18,670
guy's crazy this guy didn't what he's

1573
01:05:22,170 --> 01:05:20,589
talking about and then I actually got a

1574
01:05:23,490 --> 01:05:22,180
bunch of my friends to become fans of

1575
01:05:25,079 --> 01:05:23,500
art but in fact that there's dozens of

1576
01:05:27,180 --> 01:05:25,089
friends of mine that are fans of art

1577
01:05:29,910 --> 01:05:27,190
bells because I told them about art and

1578
01:05:31,500 --> 01:05:29,920
had no idea who he was you know but our

1579
01:05:33,269 --> 01:05:31,510
wasn't the only person that piqued my

1580
01:05:35,370 --> 01:05:33,279
interest on radio also i'm a big fan of

1581
01:05:36,779 --> 01:05:35,380
phil hendrie I don't know you're

1582
01:05:40,650 --> 01:05:36,789
familiar with its work Art Bell knows

1583
01:05:42,029 --> 01:05:40,660
Phil Hendrie by the way mm-hmm if you

1584
01:05:44,250 --> 01:05:42,039
don't know who auto fill Andrea's look

1585
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:44,260
up art bell and phil hendrie on youtube

1586
01:05:47,170 --> 01:05:45,890
and you're gonna see the cross

1587
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:47,180
between the two of them it's very funny

1588
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:49,250
stuff he's a comedian on radio which if

1589
01:05:53,350 --> 01:05:51,530
you listen to skywatchers radio you'll

1590
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:53,360
notice that I goof off a little bit and

1591
01:05:57,790 --> 01:05:55,490
we do joke around a little bit more than

1592
01:05:59,590 --> 01:05:57,800
you know most of the serious ufology

1593
01:06:01,300 --> 01:05:59,600
shows that's a little bit of phil

1594
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:01,310
hendrie influence because i am a huge

1595
01:06:06,490 --> 01:06:03,650
fan of his work also and neil rogers

1596
01:06:09,670 --> 01:06:06,500
also shaped a lot of my influence along

1597
01:06:12,010 --> 01:06:09,680
the way he was a miami radio host during

1598
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:12,020
the 80s and 90s down here miami florida

1599
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:13,970
and he passed away a few years ago I've

1600
01:06:18,250 --> 01:06:16,370
luckily became friends with him and few

1601
01:06:20,500 --> 01:06:18,260
of his folks they were associated with

1602
01:06:22,420 --> 01:06:20,510
him including his producer of 20-plus

1603
01:06:24,970 --> 01:06:22,430
years jorge rodriguez who is a good

1604
01:06:26,860 --> 01:06:24,980
friend of mine now and he actually i do

1605
01:06:29,110 --> 01:06:26,870
work with him as well on the side on his

1606
01:06:30,870 --> 01:06:29,120
radio station so floor radio so it's one

1607
01:06:33,610 --> 01:06:30,880
of those things where I've managed to

1608
01:06:36,730 --> 01:06:33,620
you know really pay attention to the

1609
01:06:38,710 --> 01:06:36,740
people that really enjoyed and in a way

1610
01:06:40,540 --> 01:06:38,720
you could see the inspiration or like

1611
01:06:43,780 --> 01:06:40,550
where they inspired in me what you see

1612
01:06:46,510 --> 01:06:43,790
now in the radio just to you know bring

1613
01:06:48,940 --> 01:06:46,520
a full circle mmm well the one thing

1614
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:48,950
about doing your your own podcast for

1615
01:06:52,690 --> 01:06:51,530
instance is uh you know you're you're

1616
01:06:54,490 --> 01:06:52,700
the captain of the ship you can

1617
01:06:57,880 --> 01:06:54,500
basically do what you want to do and and

1618
01:07:01,210 --> 01:06:57,890
I when I had michael luke as a co-host

1619
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:01,220
basically doing the news i had a really

1620
01:07:04,690 --> 01:07:02,930
good time with that and i remember

1621
01:07:08,830 --> 01:07:04,700
getting an email i read it loud on air

1622
01:07:10,930 --> 01:07:08,840
dear podcast host you are not funny you

1623
01:07:13,180 --> 01:07:10,940
shouldn't try to be funny you known on

1624
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:13,190
and on but you know I just ignore it and

1625
01:07:18,420 --> 01:07:15,770
if the situation happens you know

1626
01:07:21,340 --> 01:07:18,430
Michael and I just had that type of

1627
01:07:23,170 --> 01:07:21,350
repertoire where we could you know have

1628
01:07:25,390 --> 01:07:23,180
a lot of fun and I think was because he

1629
01:07:27,190 --> 01:07:25,400
was like really serious and which made

1630
01:07:29,140 --> 01:07:27,200
me you know and he would just hold it

1631
01:07:31,570 --> 01:07:29,150
together when I went kind of you know

1632
01:07:33,130 --> 01:07:31,580
off-kilter a little bit you know it's

1633
01:07:34,990 --> 01:07:33,140
funny Alejandro asked me when we did

1634
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:35,000
open minds when I did it and every other

1635
01:07:40,540 --> 01:07:37,730
show you ask me how do I deal with or

1636
01:07:42,580 --> 01:07:40,550
how has the reaction been from people

1637
01:07:44,620 --> 01:07:42,590
you know seeing that I do more you know

1638
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:44,630
funnier stuff than normal podcast like

1639
01:07:49,390 --> 01:07:46,610
ours you know how does the reaction been

1640
01:07:51,130 --> 01:07:49,400
and he's had a kind of like a weird kind

1641
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:51,140
of a backlash for doing you know little

1642
01:07:55,420 --> 01:07:53,570
humor on his shows it's been like the

1643
01:07:56,650 --> 01:07:55,430
opposite for me I for whatever reason i

1644
01:07:58,180 --> 01:07:56,660
guess i don't know maybe as

1645
01:07:59,650 --> 01:07:58,190
personalities people like i have no idea

1646
01:08:01,809 --> 01:07:59,660
but I've actually got a lot of

1647
01:08:03,549 --> 01:08:01,819
sort of feedback from doing that format

1648
01:08:05,859 --> 01:08:03,559
and just being a little bit of a goof on

1649
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:05,869
air I think it really depends on the

1650
01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:07,130
person's for some people who works a

1651
01:08:10,270 --> 01:08:09,049
little bit better than others but even

1652
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:10,280
if somebody gives you any negative

1653
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:12,410
feedback I was turned that and into

1654
01:08:15,039 --> 01:08:13,730
positive at the end of the day and and

1655
01:08:17,890 --> 01:08:15,049
just make a joke out of it and

1656
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:17,900
eventually they become fans yeah yeah so

1657
01:08:23,530 --> 01:08:20,449
all right so let's talk about UFOs now

1658
01:08:24,610 --> 01:08:23,540
okay a little bit it's a you know I

1659
01:08:27,150 --> 01:08:24,620
always have to get back to that

1660
01:08:31,059 --> 01:08:27,160
eventually when it comes to the show so

1661
01:08:33,070 --> 01:08:31,069
what would you be a format now you said

1662
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:33,080
Travis Walton and I you know and the

1663
01:08:37,959 --> 01:08:34,370
pleasure of meeting him several times

1664
01:08:40,510 --> 01:08:37,969
and you know when you look into Travis's

1665
01:08:42,039 --> 01:08:40,520
eyes and he's talking to you it's solid

1666
01:08:45,789 --> 01:08:42,049
you know I mean there's there's ever

1667
01:08:49,329 --> 01:08:45,799
been any question in my mind with his

1668
01:08:52,510 --> 01:08:49,339
story you know told from him you know

1669
01:08:53,979 --> 01:08:52,520
there are a lot of people that have well

1670
01:08:55,209 --> 01:08:53,989
there's a lot of negativity and you can

1671
01:08:58,120 --> 01:08:55,219
search for it on the internet you can

1672
01:09:00,729 --> 01:08:58,130
find that on any case but I I totally

1673
01:09:02,169 --> 01:09:00,739
stick with the fact that I believe in

1674
01:09:04,329 --> 01:09:02,179
one hundred percent but what do you

1675
01:09:08,169 --> 01:09:04,339
consider some other cases out there that

1676
01:09:10,030 --> 01:09:08,179
fascinate you well you know that I'm a

1677
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:10,040
hundred percent an agreement i believe

1678
01:09:13,209 --> 01:09:11,449
Travis one hundred percent but other

1679
01:09:15,099 --> 01:09:13,219
cases out there I mean the Roswell case

1680
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:15,109
has always been a fascinating case to me

1681
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:17,330
just because of the sheer amount of

1682
01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:19,370
times of the government's come out with

1683
01:09:24,099 --> 01:09:21,279
different stories of what happened

1684
01:09:26,349 --> 01:09:24,109
that's always been fascinating Betty and

1685
01:09:28,660 --> 01:09:26,359
Barney Hill there's a know their

1686
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:28,670
abduction that's a fascinating case in

1687
01:09:33,189 --> 01:09:31,130
itself the Rendlesham forest case is

1688
01:09:34,959 --> 01:09:33,199
also a very interesting case there's a

1689
01:09:37,510 --> 01:09:34,969
lot of interesting stuff that happened

1690
01:09:39,189 --> 01:09:37,520
but the sad part of what I've seen in

1691
01:09:41,110 --> 01:09:39,199
ufology since I've been doing radio is

1692
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:41,120
that a lot of the great stories happened

1693
01:09:45,700 --> 01:09:43,730
a long time ago yes that about a lot of

1694
01:09:48,459 --> 01:09:45,710
is happening today and that's very sad

1695
01:09:50,559 --> 01:09:48,469
yeah for whatever reason you know one of

1696
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:50,569
the complaints i do get an email is you

1697
01:09:55,030 --> 01:09:52,489
know you're rehashing old you know you

1698
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:55,040
reaction yo we have no choice I mean I

1699
01:09:58,090 --> 01:09:56,810
know enough guy this before THU morning

1700
01:09:59,740 --> 01:09:58,100
I mean after I people tell me how many

1701
01:10:01,720 --> 01:09:59,750
times can you talk about Roswell I'm

1702
01:10:03,970 --> 01:10:01,730
like well it's a pretty big case and

1703
01:10:05,770 --> 01:10:03,980
well there's nothing happening so far

1704
01:10:06,910 --> 01:10:05,780
there's bigger than Roswell I mean they

1705
01:10:07,890 --> 01:10:06,920
haven't landed on the White House lawn

1706
01:10:09,990 --> 01:10:07,900
yeah

1707
01:10:11,850 --> 01:10:10,000
and you know I personally I don't

1708
01:10:13,770 --> 01:10:11,860
believe certain individuals who come out

1709
01:10:15,450 --> 01:10:13,780
with video of aliens peeking through the

1710
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:15,460
window so I mean that doesn't you know

1711
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:18,130
qualify to be as big as Roswell so why

1712
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:19,810
am I gonna talk about that guy let's

1713
01:10:23,490 --> 01:10:21,370
talk about Roswell that's more important

1714
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:23,500
and unfortunately there really has not

1715
01:10:27,060 --> 01:10:26,080
been another Roswell I think the closest

1716
01:10:29,010 --> 01:10:27,070
we'll probably the Rendlesham forest

1717
01:10:31,740 --> 01:10:29,020
case but that was also a long time ago

1718
01:10:34,350 --> 01:10:31,750
so yeah that's a pretty solid case I I

1719
01:10:37,380 --> 01:10:34,360
really have always thought highly of

1720
01:10:40,740 --> 01:10:37,390
that one okay so I heard you say alien

1721
01:10:42,810 --> 01:10:40,750
in the window so let's talk about that a

1722
01:10:46,740 --> 01:10:42,820
little bit in and I'm not afraid to

1723
01:10:48,540 --> 01:10:46,750
mention not just wondered if I haven't

1724
01:10:53,370 --> 01:10:48,550
heard anything about the case that was

1725
01:10:57,090 --> 01:10:53,380
going to court in regards to mr. Romanek

1726
01:10:58,800 --> 01:10:57,100
and just wondered is there news out

1727
01:11:00,990 --> 01:10:58,810
there that I haven't heard and it's not

1728
01:11:02,220 --> 01:11:01,000
like I'm following it or anything but it

1729
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:02,230
just seems like you'd hear more about

1730
01:11:07,620 --> 01:11:06,130
that whole situation and basically that

1731
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:07,630
you know he was caught with child

1732
01:11:12,570 --> 01:11:10,960
pornography and you know and his wife

1733
01:11:14,100 --> 01:11:12,580
backed him up by saying that you know

1734
01:11:16,830 --> 01:11:14,110
the government put the child pornography

1735
01:11:19,020 --> 01:11:16,840
on his computer and then the case just

1736
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:19,030
kind of died and went away and I haven't

1737
01:11:23,610 --> 01:11:21,010
heard well no yes as I really died I

1738
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:23,620
mean I think they're still they haven't

1739
01:11:26,310 --> 01:11:24,850
gone to court yet I mean there's still a

1740
01:11:28,649 --> 01:11:26,320
court date that's going to happen the

1741
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:28,659
trout hasn't happened yet I mean there's

1742
01:11:31,950 --> 01:11:30,489
a lot of stuff that store is yet to

1743
01:11:34,410 --> 01:11:31,960
happen and we have to see you know what

1744
01:11:36,060 --> 01:11:34,420
does happen at the other day like he's

1745
01:11:37,860 --> 01:11:36,070
innocent till proven guilty that's the

1746
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:37,870
way it works in this country yeah and we

1747
01:11:42,060 --> 01:11:40,330
can't forget that what I don't like

1748
01:11:44,490 --> 01:11:42,070
about what happened on that case because

1749
01:11:46,110 --> 01:11:44,500
any look anybody can have stuff planted

1750
01:11:48,930 --> 01:11:46,120
on their computer that's an underperson

1751
01:11:51,300 --> 01:11:48,940
legit that can't happen my thing with

1752
01:11:53,959 --> 01:11:51,310
this case is the government would not

1753
01:11:57,570 --> 01:11:53,969
spend years investigating a person

1754
01:11:59,070 --> 01:11:57,580
tailing a person and really uh for what

1755
01:12:00,750 --> 01:11:59,080
to find child pornography in the

1756
01:12:03,930 --> 01:12:00,760
computer I mean they would not spend the

1757
01:12:06,390 --> 01:12:03,940
amount of man hours the money spent I

1758
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:06,400
mean is ridiculously you look at the

1759
01:12:10,830 --> 01:12:08,290
entire time that they were you know

1760
01:12:12,570 --> 01:12:10,840
investigating Stan I don't think the

1761
01:12:13,860 --> 01:12:12,580
government would put that much effort

1762
01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:13,870
into it unless there was really

1763
01:12:18,990 --> 01:12:16,480
something tangible there it just doesn't

1764
01:12:20,189 --> 01:12:19,000
make any sense it doesn't compute now if

1765
01:12:21,690 --> 01:12:20,199
the government wants to plant evidence

1766
01:12:23,700 --> 01:12:21,700
they could do that within a week

1767
01:12:26,250 --> 01:12:23,710
time or 24 hours that would not spend a

1768
01:12:27,480 --> 01:12:26,260
year two years investigating the man you

1769
01:12:30,900 --> 01:12:27,490
know what I mean that just does not

1770
01:12:32,580 --> 01:12:30,910
factor at all and my thing and I said

1771
01:12:34,890 --> 01:12:32,590
this on the show before I just hope that

1772
01:12:36,420 --> 01:12:34,900
he is innocent I hope that they can

1773
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:36,430
prove that he is innocent because I

1774
01:12:41,370 --> 01:12:39,130
would hate to have his association in

1775
01:12:43,950 --> 01:12:41,380
ufology be another black eye for the

1776
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:43,960
entire you know field of ufology I would

1777
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:45,850
hate for other people with in ufology

1778
01:12:50,730 --> 01:12:48,250
who are associated with him to

1779
01:12:52,890 --> 01:12:50,740
unfortunately maybe be labeled like what

1780
01:12:54,570 --> 01:12:52,900
he might be because you never know I

1781
01:12:57,570 --> 01:12:54,580
mean there could be an organization of

1782
01:12:59,310 --> 01:12:57,580
people that he was sharing pornography

1783
01:13:01,560 --> 01:12:59,320
with or sharing you this content with

1784
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:01,570
and if some of them come out they were

1785
01:13:06,780 --> 01:13:03,610
here in ufology some big names we might

1786
01:13:08,610 --> 01:13:06,790
know well that's not good ya know I I

1787
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:08,620
agree and I fight I have thought of all

1788
01:13:12,540 --> 01:13:10,930
these things that you know it it isn't

1789
01:13:16,020 --> 01:13:12,550
good because it just you know it just

1790
01:13:17,940 --> 01:13:16,030
adds to the fire of you know people

1791
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:17,950
thinking that you know anyone interest

1792
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:21,040
in this is a bunch of nut nut cases you

1793
01:13:27,210 --> 01:13:24,960
know and you know so he gets caught I

1794
01:13:29,100 --> 01:13:27,220
was a former guest of mine that was

1795
01:13:32,460 --> 01:13:29,110
interviewing him on skyping he got

1796
01:13:35,580 --> 01:13:32,470
caught throwing a pen you know above his

1797
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:35,590
head did you happen to see that Martin

1798
01:13:39,810 --> 01:13:36,970
you the funniest thing about that video

1799
01:13:41,610 --> 01:13:39,820
is I saw that video and I was cracking

1800
01:13:43,980 --> 01:13:41,620
up and I was like ah there he is busted

1801
01:13:46,170 --> 01:13:43,990
you know the complete hoaxing and then

1802
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:46,180
like a day later the charges are brought

1803
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:48,610
up on child pornography oh is that what

1804
01:13:52,140 --> 01:13:50,890
is that how that way it was like one day

1805
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:52,150
to the next I mean that's when I saw it

1806
01:13:54,690 --> 01:13:53,410
I don't know the video had been online a

1807
01:13:56,670 --> 01:13:54,700
few days before or a month before

1808
01:13:58,650 --> 01:13:56,680
whatever but I saw it and literally the

1809
01:14:01,170 --> 01:13:58,660
next day the Chopin ography charges went

1810
01:14:06,750 --> 01:14:01,180
up and I just had this weird feeling

1811
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:06,760
about karma uh and and how because look

1812
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:08,320
I don't believe the alien in the window

1813
01:14:12,630 --> 01:14:10,090
I don't I'm sorry Stan I don't believe

1814
01:14:15,110 --> 01:14:12,640
that either I don't believe that he has

1815
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:15,120
any psychic abilities or he or he is a

1816
01:14:21,450 --> 01:14:18,130
contact e or and we obviously saw him

1817
01:14:22,980 --> 01:14:21,460
hoax a video right that's there he threw

1818
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:22,990
a pen in the air I mean they were flash

1819
01:14:28,230 --> 01:14:25,600
travel whatever was to me what's

1820
01:14:30,480 --> 01:14:28,240
happening to him now is karma you do

1821
01:14:33,450 --> 01:14:30,490
evil you do bad you get it right back in

1822
01:14:35,190 --> 01:14:33,460
the end and you know it is what it is

1823
01:14:35,970 --> 01:14:35,200
and like I said I hope they

1824
01:14:38,850 --> 01:14:35,980
he could prove that he's innocent

1825
01:14:40,440 --> 01:14:38,860
because if he can't and there are other

1826
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:40,450
people involved is just going to be

1827
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:41,890
really bad for the entire field of

1828
01:14:46,620 --> 01:14:44,410
ufology for all of us yeah even if it's

1829
01:14:50,250 --> 01:14:46,630
just him alone even over to sem units

1830
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:50,260
still bad yeah it is it is you know so

1831
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:52,210
of course we're talking about stuff like

1832
01:14:56,150 --> 01:14:54,010
this we always have to be careful

1833
01:14:59,790 --> 01:14:56,160
exactly you're saying in like you said I

1834
01:15:02,550 --> 01:14:59,800
he is innocent until proven guilty he

1835
01:15:04,980 --> 01:15:02,560
was I picked my third guest on the show

1836
01:15:08,130 --> 01:15:04,990
when I first started and I didn't really

1837
01:15:10,590 --> 01:15:08,140
know who he was or anything like that I

1838
01:15:12,810 --> 01:15:10,600
you know knew a little bit about him but

1839
01:15:14,340 --> 01:15:12,820
I didn't really know much very friendly

1840
01:15:15,990 --> 01:15:14,350
guy i mean i had on the show couple

1841
01:15:17,700 --> 01:15:16,000
times is a very friendly nice guy him

1842
01:15:20,610 --> 01:15:17,710
and his wife Lisa are very very nice

1843
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:20,620
folks I to talk to it if you don't know

1844
01:15:24,300 --> 01:15:22,330
anything of the the shadowy stuff that's

1845
01:15:26,670 --> 01:15:24,310
going on behind the scenes if it's true

1846
01:15:29,370 --> 01:15:26,680
but just as a radio host and

1847
01:15:30,660 --> 01:15:29,380
interviewing Stan seem like a very nice

1848
01:15:32,250 --> 01:15:30,670
person when I interviewed them in fact

1849
01:15:34,530 --> 01:15:32,260
they were down here in Florida but a

1850
01:15:35,670 --> 01:15:34,540
year ago two years ago for convention

1851
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:35,680
and oh yeah he was like two years ago

1852
01:15:39,540 --> 01:15:37,810
and they invited me out to the

1853
01:15:42,540 --> 01:15:39,550
convention I couldn't make it out to it

1854
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:42,550
because of work reasons but the invited

1855
01:15:45,420 --> 01:15:43,570
me they're nice enough to you know

1856
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:45,430
gesture for me to go out and do an

1857
01:15:49,290 --> 01:15:47,170
interview over there and and stuff so

1858
01:15:50,790 --> 01:15:49,300
they're nice folks all right i mean to

1859
01:15:52,590 --> 01:15:50,800
me they've never been nothing but nice

1860
01:15:53,820 --> 01:15:52,600
but that does not mean that i'm gonna

1861
01:15:56,490 --> 01:15:53,830
just because they're nice to me i'm not

1862
01:15:58,650 --> 01:15:56,500
gonna say well i'm gonna support hoaxing

1863
01:16:01,770 --> 01:15:58,660
you know what I mean that's not I'm not

1864
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:01,780
that type person at in in Stan knows

1865
01:16:05,100 --> 01:16:03,130
that I mean I was hard to stand in

1866
01:16:06,690 --> 01:16:05,110
private about that before I even need to

1867
01:16:07,770 --> 01:16:06,700
show it i tol em like Stan you know I

1868
01:16:09,900 --> 01:16:07,780
love to have you on the show we could

1869
01:16:11,460 --> 01:16:09,910
definitely do an interview but you know

1870
01:16:12,870 --> 01:16:11,470
I really don't think that's an alien in

1871
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:12,880
your window buddy I mean it just doesn't

1872
01:16:16,620 --> 01:16:14,650
look real and we had a whole

1873
01:16:18,330 --> 01:16:16,630
conversation about that in of course he

1874
01:16:20,430 --> 01:16:18,340
denied that he did any hoax anything he

1875
01:16:23,130 --> 01:16:20,440
said well maybe somebody's pranking me I

1876
01:16:25,530 --> 01:16:23,140
don't know but I dare do it wrong which

1877
01:16:27,540 --> 01:16:25,540
that's exactly also that's exactly what

1878
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:27,550
i actually did ask him that you know i

1879
01:16:33,060 --> 01:16:31,570
mean and on the show i had and he he

1880
01:16:35,490 --> 01:16:33,070
said that very same thing I mean he's

1881
01:16:38,460 --> 01:16:35,500
he's ready for that you know he's ready

1882
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:38,470
for he has the reply to that question

1883
01:16:43,050 --> 01:16:40,930
and then anything else and basically

1884
01:16:44,970 --> 01:16:43,060
well maybe it is and you know but maybe

1885
01:16:47,700 --> 01:16:44,980
it is that I'm you know that I'm getting

1886
01:16:48,630 --> 01:16:47,710
hoaxed I don't know I can't say for sure

1887
01:16:49,980 --> 01:16:48,640
you

1888
01:16:52,700 --> 01:16:49,990
no that type of thing so he's pretty

1889
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:52,710
he's pretty smooth in that regards

1890
01:16:59,190 --> 01:16:56,770
mm-hmm if you ask me and psyching up

1891
01:17:03,600 --> 01:16:59,200
let's go into since we're on such a

1892
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:03,610
great negative topic we're a Chopin

1893
01:17:08,700 --> 01:17:05,410
ography and hosted in ufology doesn't

1894
01:17:11,130 --> 01:17:08,710
get writer than our geez I want to just

1895
01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:11,140
I want to talk about I want to talk

1896
01:17:15,780 --> 01:17:13,450
about Hulk Singh because that is you

1897
01:17:17,130 --> 01:17:15,790
know I'm in the the fine arts and

1898
01:17:19,410 --> 01:17:17,140
antiques business that's what I do

1899
01:17:22,110 --> 01:17:19,420
that's my other life I'm involved in a

1900
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:22,120
start-up right now and social media for

1901
01:17:26,730 --> 01:17:23,530
collectors it's pretty exciting and all

1902
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:26,740
that but one of the things that bugs me

1903
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:29,170
in my business is fakes you know fakes

1904
01:17:33,540 --> 01:17:31,570
and paintings fixing you know any type

1905
01:17:36,570 --> 01:17:33,550
of anything that's worth any money is

1906
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:36,580
faked basically right and so that I have

1907
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:38,170
a bone of contention when it comes to

1908
01:17:43,830 --> 01:17:40,570
that and I feel the same way when it

1909
01:17:45,900 --> 01:17:43,840
comes to UFO hoaxes and hoaxers there's

1910
01:17:48,750 --> 01:17:45,910
not a heck of a lot of them thank

1911
01:17:50,730 --> 01:17:48,760
goodness but there are there's some you

1912
01:17:53,340 --> 01:17:50,740
know that are pretty been pretty well

1913
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:53,350
busted you know this and there's some

1914
01:17:57,270 --> 01:17:55,570
that people really don't care I'm just

1915
01:17:58,860 --> 01:17:57,280
going to throw out because I've already

1916
01:18:02,520 --> 01:17:58,870
thrown them under the bus a few times

1917
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:02,530
and that's third phase of the moon Oh as

1918
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:04,210
i like to call them third buffoons of

1919
01:18:11,550 --> 01:18:08,410
the moon now they they have they must be

1920
01:18:14,610 --> 01:18:11,560
generating a pretty tidy sum in coolin

1921
01:18:16,980 --> 01:18:14,620
YouTube ads are you rob up you know what

1922
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:16,990
I'm saying monetizing the YouTube

1923
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:21,610
channel but it's there's a couple of

1924
01:18:27,930 --> 01:18:24,250
decent ones mixed in with mostly hoaxes

1925
01:18:29,910 --> 01:18:27,940
well I mean from my my take on third

1926
01:18:32,070 --> 01:18:29,920
phase of Moon which that's worth their

1927
01:18:35,340 --> 01:18:32,080
face of a moon what happened to the but

1928
01:18:39,180 --> 01:18:35,350
anyway my take on them is they're doing

1929
01:18:40,890 --> 01:18:39,190
a lot of nice CGI work themselves god I

1930
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:40,900
have nothing to back it up I don't have

1931
01:18:44,130 --> 01:18:42,370
any inside information or anything like

1932
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:44,140
that but just looking at what they've

1933
01:18:47,940 --> 01:18:45,970
put out a lot of them looks like it's

1934
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:47,950
created by the same people to eat when

1935
01:18:51,450 --> 01:18:49,090
you're a filmmaker and I am an amateur

1936
01:18:52,710 --> 01:18:51,460
filmmaker I wanted to write film that's

1937
01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:52,720
kind of like my passion in life also

1938
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:54,880
eventually I want to direct a movie and

1939
01:18:58,920 --> 01:18:56,410
I'm writing a script now as we speak and

1940
01:19:00,810 --> 01:18:58,930
I've edited a lot of film in my day and

1941
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:00,820
as a filmmaker and somebody who knows

1942
01:19:03,930 --> 01:19:02,410
how to do CGI work

1943
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:03,940
you can come and tell when somebody's

1944
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:05,890
doing the same kind of videos over and

1945
01:19:09,510 --> 01:19:07,690
over again in you know in different

1946
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:09,520
scenarios or in different situations you

1947
01:19:14,850 --> 01:19:11,530
can tell the artistic you know the

1948
01:19:16,860 --> 01:19:14,860
artistic fingerprint off our work or the

1949
01:19:18,660 --> 01:19:16,870
fingerprints yeah of some and you can

1950
01:19:20,550 --> 01:19:18,670
tell a lot of their videos are made by

1951
01:19:22,470 --> 01:19:20,560
the same folks I mean anybody who's a

1952
01:19:23,820 --> 01:19:22,480
graphic designer or an artist or a

1953
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:23,830
filmmaker will be able to tell right

1954
01:19:27,300 --> 01:19:25,570
away and they've been called out on it

1955
01:19:29,580 --> 01:19:27,310
before and their answer is always like

1956
01:19:30,660 --> 01:19:29,590
well if it wasn't for our videos you

1957
01:19:32,550 --> 01:19:30,670
know we would not be able to do this

1958
01:19:33,930 --> 01:19:32,560
interview with so-and-so and we could

1959
01:19:35,780 --> 01:19:33,940
not have met so and so I'm like what

1960
01:19:38,670 --> 01:19:35,790
what is that got to do with anything

1961
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:38,680
mm-hmm what does that mean that's like

1962
01:19:41,490 --> 01:19:40,090
couple saying yeah we hopes to bed we

1963
01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:41,500
got to meet Travis Walton or staying

1964
01:19:46,770 --> 01:19:44,560
Roman Acre Wood who cares you're still

1965
01:19:49,590 --> 01:19:46,780
watching videos you know what I mean it

1966
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:49,600
it to me that is the problem and folks

1967
01:19:54,900 --> 01:19:51,850
like them that clutter ufology with

1968
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:54,910
nonsense in makes you follow G look to

1969
01:19:59,970 --> 01:19:57,520
the to the establishment as a joke and

1970
01:20:02,640 --> 01:19:59,980
it's not only after phase of moon you

1971
01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:02,650
know it goes down the line Billy Meyers

1972
01:20:06,900 --> 01:20:04,510
I don't believe I think he's a hoaxer I

1973
01:20:09,480 --> 01:20:06,910
think he's built a whole life in a cult

1974
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:09,490
around a hoax I'm a hundred percent with

1975
01:20:14,490 --> 01:20:12,970
you on that one too and i'm trying to

1976
01:20:16,710 --> 01:20:14,500
think was that horn the guy that's

1977
01:20:19,410 --> 01:20:16,720
really pushing him here yes his American

1978
01:20:22,050 --> 01:20:19,420
pimp yes Michael Hornet vehicle horn

1979
01:20:23,940 --> 01:20:22,060
there was something he came out with

1980
01:20:26,820 --> 01:20:23,950
some type of statement he came out with

1981
01:20:29,370 --> 01:20:26,830
that you know alas where you know we're

1982
01:20:31,110 --> 01:20:29,380
being I forget exactly what it was I

1983
01:20:33,420 --> 01:20:31,120
don't know if you caught that maybe I

1984
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:33,430
don't know six or eight months ago where

1985
01:20:37,470 --> 01:20:35,890
he was saying that so shitty yeah he's

1986
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:37,480
always putting some craziness on there

1987
01:20:42,150 --> 01:20:39,370
in fact that I'm unluckily and then

1988
01:20:43,890 --> 01:20:42,160
willingly part of the email group I'm

1989
01:20:47,490 --> 01:20:43,900
gonna be familiar with Victor the sky

1990
01:20:49,590 --> 01:20:47,500
wizard let you know not at all part of

1991
01:20:51,300 --> 01:20:49,600
that but a lot of people within the

1992
01:20:53,130 --> 01:20:51,310
podcast community that do you Father she

1993
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:53,140
shows somehow got trapped into this

1994
01:20:58,260 --> 01:20:55,810
email blasts and he's a part of it and

1995
01:21:00,270 --> 01:20:58,270
we get his propaganda every once in a

1996
01:21:01,830 --> 01:21:00,280
while and I've come back and forth with

1997
01:21:02,970 --> 01:21:01,840
him an email before I night and I felt

1998
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:02,980
look Michael I'm just not interested

1999
01:21:07,470 --> 01:21:05,290
please take me off list stop emailing me

2000
01:21:09,330 --> 01:21:07,480
and just leave me alone and then he

2001
01:21:11,700 --> 01:21:09,340
sends me about 40 emails calling me all

2002
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:11,710
kinds of names and salting me because he

2003
01:21:15,060 --> 01:21:13,360
just can't take the fact that I'm not

2004
01:21:18,300 --> 01:21:15,070
interested in what Billy Meyers

2005
01:21:20,970 --> 01:21:18,310
she in that is the worst kind of person

2006
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:20,980
he is made a living off of a live there

2007
01:21:24,510 --> 01:21:22,690
they're all making a living out of a lie

2008
01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:24,520
out of the Billy Myers case there's no

2009
01:21:28,890 --> 01:21:26,800
truth to that whatsoever you can just

2010
01:21:30,359 --> 01:21:28,900
you know you can just look at the

2011
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:30,369
evidence that Billy's provided over the

2012
01:21:35,220 --> 01:21:33,130
years and it speaks for itself like I

2013
01:21:36,510 --> 01:21:35,230
took pictures of girls from the Dean

2014
01:21:40,050 --> 01:21:36,520
Martin show and tried to pass him off as

2015
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:40,060
aliens yeah I mean come on I think

2016
01:21:43,890 --> 01:21:41,650
Mellie could do better than that Dean

2017
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:43,900
Martin show somebody's gonna figure this

2018
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:47,290
out you gotta start somewhere well he

2019
01:21:50,540 --> 01:21:48,730
did started before that he took pictures

2020
01:21:53,069 --> 01:21:50,550
of a book from the National Geographic

2021
01:21:54,750 --> 01:21:53,079
the show dinosaurs on it and he said all

2022
01:21:57,540 --> 01:21:54,760
the aliens took me back in time and look

2023
01:21:59,010 --> 01:21:57,550
at the dinosaur pictures and then

2024
01:22:01,080 --> 01:21:59,020
somebody wisely looked at national

2025
01:22:03,660 --> 01:22:01,090
geographic magazine said wait a second

2026
01:22:08,189 --> 01:22:03,670
they're the same photographs look at

2027
01:22:10,890 --> 01:22:08,199
that that's pretty funny I'm he said

2028
01:22:12,629 --> 01:22:10,900
debunk countless times in and still you

2029
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:12,639
have his American pimp pimp and his

2030
01:22:15,990 --> 01:22:14,290
stuff out there like its legit thing and

2031
01:22:17,669 --> 01:22:16,000
always come on coming out with oh he's a

2032
01:22:19,950 --> 01:22:17,679
prophet he prophesized this and that

2033
01:22:21,899 --> 01:22:19,960
okay where's the proof well here's a

2034
01:22:24,780 --> 01:22:21,909
website that public like a blog that

2035
01:22:26,669 --> 01:22:24,790
talks about it that's not proof I could

2036
01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:26,679
say something to happen on line 11 and

2037
01:22:30,899 --> 01:22:28,960
put it on a blog and misdated and two

2038
01:22:32,370 --> 01:22:30,909
full people anybody could do that give

2039
01:22:33,979 --> 01:22:32,380
me a book that came out published in the

2040
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:33,989
70s where he's actually don't

2041
01:22:39,060 --> 01:22:35,770
prophesizing something that happen now

2042
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:39,070
that's proof mm-hmm you know I tell you

2043
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:40,570
the president the president is going to

2044
01:22:42,870 --> 01:22:41,770
have a son one day or there's going to

2045
01:22:44,910 --> 01:22:42,880
be a son of a president is gonna be a

2046
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:44,920
president in a hundred years that ever

2047
01:22:51,629 --> 01:22:48,130
happens at my a profit no I'm a love

2048
01:22:53,970 --> 01:22:51,639
guess yeah yeah that's right that's

2049
01:22:55,919 --> 01:22:53,980
right well you know there's there's also

2050
01:22:57,149 --> 01:22:55,929
um you know I'm kind of digging this

2051
01:23:00,390 --> 01:22:57,159
topic because we're just having a

2052
01:23:02,399 --> 01:23:00,400
conversation here in and so I want to

2053
01:23:05,910 --> 01:23:02,409
say neither and let a professional I

2054
01:23:07,890 --> 01:23:05,920
just talk yeah so one of the things I've

2055
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:07,900
commented on in the past when I've

2056
01:23:13,229 --> 01:23:10,090
talked to certain guests is that it

2057
01:23:16,229 --> 01:23:13,239
seems to me that a number of people that

2058
01:23:18,810 --> 01:23:16,239
have been in ufology for a while they

2059
01:23:20,850 --> 01:23:18,820
kind of they run out of something I

2060
01:23:23,459 --> 01:23:20,860
don't know what it is and then they seem

2061
01:23:25,379 --> 01:23:23,469
to go a little bit out there have have

2062
01:23:28,229 --> 01:23:25,389
you have any opinion on that have you

2063
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:28,239
have you noticed that mmm explain going

2064
01:23:33,990 --> 01:23:28,810
a little bit out

2065
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:34,000
there well okay boutros kid I'm gonna

2066
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:37,410
throw someone else under the bus okay

2067
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:42,970
dr. Steven Greer oh man uh okay even

2068
01:23:48,780 --> 01:23:46,810
steven oh man yeah um so I just think

2069
01:23:52,290 --> 01:23:48,790
you know he started out he started out

2070
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:52,300
really solid he made a very good

2071
01:23:58,500 --> 01:23:56,170
impression early on earth yes and he did

2072
01:24:00,660 --> 01:23:58,510
really good work and then I think it's

2073
01:24:05,820 --> 01:24:00,670
um I'm not really sure what it is that

2074
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:05,830
changes with with certain people but you

2075
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:06,970
know here's the thing yeah it's

2076
01:24:11,580 --> 01:24:09,570
completely Eagle driven hand its

2077
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:11,590
attention when certain people get

2078
01:24:17,070 --> 01:24:12,970
certain attention and they become

2079
01:24:18,300 --> 01:24:17,080
celebrity like they become a diva now

2080
01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:18,310
I'm not saying dr. Steven Greer is a

2081
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:23,920
diva but he sure do act like a diva yes

2082
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:26,770
I don't know did you ever hear you know

2083
01:24:30,300 --> 01:24:28,330
Michael loca again I mentioned him

2084
01:24:32,250 --> 01:24:30,310
earlier was you know on the show with me

2085
01:24:34,710 --> 01:24:32,260
and you know dug up something about him

2086
01:24:37,230 --> 01:24:34,720
taking pictures with people in an

2087
01:24:39,630 --> 01:24:37,240
invisible spaceship you know and

2088
01:24:42,450 --> 01:24:39,640
charging them for it and then also

2089
01:24:44,130 --> 01:24:42,460
locking people inside a conference with

2090
01:24:46,050 --> 01:24:44,140
the bodyguards there and all that I

2091
01:24:48,630 --> 01:24:46,060
don't know if any of this is true I've

2092
01:24:51,750 --> 01:24:48,640
never really seen any of it you know

2093
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:51,760
documented or anything like that have

2094
01:24:56,250 --> 01:24:53,850
you heard those rumors out there as well

2095
01:24:57,930 --> 01:24:56,260
no but there's a nasty rumor that I

2096
01:24:59,550 --> 01:24:57,940
heard of dr. Greer that I can't say on

2097
01:25:02,130 --> 01:24:59,560
air just because it's kind of really

2098
01:25:04,170 --> 01:25:02,140
dirty out there later and you will laugh

2099
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:04,180
and then kitho say thanks for not seeing

2100
01:25:08,730 --> 01:25:06,850
that on the air cuz that's we in fact

2101
01:25:09,870 --> 01:25:08,740
some of it involves the seven dirty

2102
01:25:13,410 --> 01:25:09,880
things you can't say on television

2103
01:25:15,090 --> 01:25:13,420
number those eight so I George Carlin

2104
01:25:16,980 --> 01:25:15,100
Isles I'll tell you later yeah George

2105
01:25:18,780 --> 01:25:16,990
Karl yes actly well you know now I'm

2106
01:25:23,730 --> 01:25:18,790
gonna have a bunch of angry listeners I

2107
01:25:25,710 --> 01:25:23,740
guess a email me yeah I'll figure l info

2108
01:25:28,380 --> 01:25:25,720
at skywatchers radio com addressed to me

2109
01:25:31,230 --> 01:25:28,390
don't worry we'll be good okay all right

2110
01:25:33,870 --> 01:25:31,240
very good so we were talking earlier

2111
01:25:35,370 --> 01:25:33,880
about video you know videos third phase

2112
01:25:37,710 --> 01:25:35,380
of the moon and all that you know it

2113
01:25:40,290 --> 01:25:37,720
really makes me wonder the way CGI is

2114
01:25:42,750 --> 01:25:40,300
going the way tech technology is going

2115
01:25:43,979 --> 01:25:42,760
you know we have we have things and

2116
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:43,989
our favor we have you know better

2117
01:25:49,370 --> 01:25:46,449
iPhones and more people have them and

2118
01:25:51,750 --> 01:25:49,380
you know better smartphones I meant

2119
01:25:53,759 --> 01:25:51,760
we're just about everyone will have a

2120
01:25:55,799 --> 01:25:53,769
camera on them almost all the time and

2121
01:25:58,169 --> 01:25:55,809
up but I got to tell you when I had the

2122
01:25:59,520 --> 01:25:58,179
sighting I had I didn't even think of a

2123
01:26:04,229 --> 01:25:59,530
camera you know I just wanted to see

2124
01:26:08,819 --> 01:26:04,239
what I was seeing but but as we progress

2125
01:26:12,109 --> 01:26:08,829
though in technology the CGI YouTube's

2126
01:26:14,250 --> 01:26:12,119
are going to be more difficult I believe

2127
01:26:16,379 --> 01:26:14,260
it's going to get harder and harder to

2128
01:26:18,029 --> 01:26:16,389
tell what's real and what's not o mine

2129
01:26:19,919 --> 01:26:18,039
because you're completely hundred

2130
01:26:21,450 --> 01:26:19,929
percent right in fact it's already there

2131
01:26:23,759 --> 01:26:21,460
i mean it's already impossible to tell

2132
01:26:25,620 --> 01:26:23,769
what's real and what's not real any 12

2133
01:26:27,959 --> 01:26:25,630
year old kid in a basement some worker

2134
01:26:30,029 --> 01:26:27,969
create a beautiful CGI UFO and make it

2135
01:26:32,669 --> 01:26:30,039
fly around a city and i am do it within

2136
01:26:34,799 --> 01:26:32,679
a couple of hours or days it's not hard

2137
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:34,809
to do technology is advanced enough that

2138
01:26:39,209 --> 01:26:37,210
anybody could do this stuff so anybody

2139
01:26:41,009 --> 01:26:39,219
tells you that all you'd have to be a

2140
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:41,019
Hollywood to make this kind of video no

2141
01:26:45,779 --> 01:26:43,840
not really not anymore maybe in the 90s

2142
01:26:47,009 --> 01:26:45,789
but not now you know the 90s you might

2143
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:47,019
have to have a Hollywood production

2144
01:26:51,330 --> 01:26:49,210
behind some like that but today anybody

2145
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:51,340
could do it and that's really honestly

2146
01:26:57,149 --> 01:26:54,489
that's the worst part of technology but

2147
01:26:58,379 --> 01:26:57,159
at the same time is the best thing that

2148
01:27:00,899 --> 01:26:58,389
could happen for this kind of field

2149
01:27:03,330 --> 01:27:00,909
because for us now it's going to make it

2150
01:27:05,009 --> 01:27:03,340
you know to the point that we do is

2151
01:27:07,169 --> 01:27:05,019
going to be proof now we're going to

2152
01:27:09,540 --> 01:27:07,179
look for real proof tangible evidence

2153
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:09,550
that you know just pictures and videos

2154
01:27:13,859 --> 01:27:11,650
are not going to fly anymore pardon the

2155
01:27:15,330 --> 01:27:13,869
pun you know what I mean you know it's

2156
01:27:16,950 --> 01:27:15,340
it we're gonna have to have some real

2157
01:27:19,319 --> 01:27:16,960
evidence before we could say okay this

2158
01:27:20,910 --> 01:27:19,329
is legit and you know even in the 90s

2159
01:27:23,700 --> 01:27:20,920
look in the 90s we got all duped by the

2160
01:27:25,259 --> 01:27:23,710
alien autopsy right okay a lot of folks

2161
01:27:27,270 --> 01:27:25,269
got duped by that because that was a

2162
01:27:29,549 --> 01:27:27,280
production behind that they produced

2163
01:27:31,589 --> 01:27:29,559
that so you know it's even tangible

2164
01:27:33,689 --> 01:27:31,599
evidence which looks real like that is

2165
01:27:35,910 --> 01:27:33,699
no good you know I wasn't even paying

2166
01:27:37,799 --> 01:27:35,920
much attention to the whole field that

2167
01:27:40,290 --> 01:27:37,809
was weighed before I had my sighting or

2168
01:27:42,689 --> 01:27:40,300
anything and um you know I watched that

2169
01:27:45,149 --> 01:27:42,699
i watch that with like oh my god you

2170
01:27:47,220 --> 01:27:45,159
know I believed it you know I mean I was

2171
01:27:48,750 --> 01:27:47,230
good yeah everybody did yeah everybody

2172
01:27:50,220 --> 01:27:48,760
if I died I've mentioned the name

2173
01:27:52,830 --> 01:27:50,230
earlier Justin Randolph of you from our

2174
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:52,840
radio he was friends with some of the

2175
01:27:55,419 --> 01:27:54,250
folks that put that production together

2176
01:27:58,060 --> 01:27:55,429
and

2177
01:27:59,709 --> 01:27:58,070
he he told me straight up ya know that

2178
01:28:01,120 --> 01:27:59,719
was a hoax man I know the people you

2179
01:28:03,580 --> 01:28:01,130
want to talk to him like a

2180
01:28:05,620 --> 01:28:03,590
twenty-thousand-dollar budget to I mean

2181
01:28:07,870 --> 01:28:05,630
it was real small yeah are they you know

2182
01:28:11,020 --> 01:28:07,880
how they did that I had Phillip mantle

2183
01:28:12,729 --> 01:28:11,030
on I'm not sure if you know who he is ya

2184
01:28:15,399 --> 01:28:12,739
heard the name yeah he's one who really

2185
01:28:16,929 --> 01:28:15,409
came out and you know just you know put

2186
01:28:19,509 --> 01:28:16,939
it all on the table this thing's a hoax

2187
01:28:21,910 --> 01:28:19,519
everybody you know he started out his

2188
01:28:24,969 --> 01:28:21,920
interview with me was alright spoiler

2189
01:28:26,979 --> 01:28:24,979
everybody it's a hoax and then and then

2190
01:28:29,290 --> 01:28:26,989
we'll talk about it but what a path that

2191
01:28:31,719 --> 01:28:29,300
that one led I mean the guy made a

2192
01:28:34,209 --> 01:28:31,729
fortune actually off of that I think

2193
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:34,219
there was one I don't want to say

2194
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:36,530
fortune but I think right off the bat he

2195
01:28:41,410 --> 01:28:39,170
sold some part of it or all of it or

2196
01:28:44,259 --> 01:28:41,420
whatever for 250,000 or something like

2197
01:28:47,290 --> 01:28:44,269
that don't quote me but you know right

2198
01:28:50,169 --> 01:28:47,300
away and then you know as that that just

2199
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:50,179
snowballed and you know what's going to

2200
01:28:55,179 --> 01:28:52,610
stop that from happening again you know

2201
01:28:57,219 --> 01:28:55,189
really and that's why we have to really

2202
01:28:59,199 --> 01:28:57,229
support movements like the Steve

2203
01:29:01,959 --> 01:28:59,209
Bassett's movement with the disclosure

2204
01:29:03,189 --> 01:29:01,969
movement you know those are the ways

2205
01:29:05,290 --> 01:29:03,199
we're going to get to the truth of

2206
01:29:08,319 --> 01:29:05,300
what's going on with a phenomenon that

2207
01:29:09,850 --> 01:29:08,329
is ufology by doing stuff that pushes

2208
01:29:12,790 --> 01:29:09,860
the government towards disclosing what

2209
01:29:14,379 --> 01:29:12,800
they know you know we can't we can't

2210
01:29:15,879 --> 01:29:14,389
wait for videos like that to come out

2211
01:29:17,620 --> 01:29:15,889
anymore because that's no good it really

2212
01:29:19,209 --> 01:29:17,630
isn't and yeah there probably be other

2213
01:29:21,549 --> 01:29:19,219
ones that come out and in the next few

2214
01:29:23,500 --> 01:29:21,559
years with technology getting as easy as

2215
01:29:24,879 --> 01:29:23,510
it is there's actually one that went

2216
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:24,889
viral I don't have you ever seen this

2217
01:29:28,209 --> 01:29:26,449
one more and it's been on YouTube for a

2218
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:28,219
couple years now and it's been viral

2219
01:29:32,979 --> 01:29:30,530
it's about it's an alien sitting in a

2220
01:29:34,629 --> 01:29:32,989
dark room and then there's a couple guys

2221
01:29:36,310 --> 01:29:34,639
talking to them in Portuguese I think or

2222
01:29:37,870 --> 01:29:36,320
another language and they're like

2223
01:29:39,699 --> 01:29:37,880
yelling at him and that his face comes

2224
01:29:43,060 --> 01:29:39,709
towards the camera and he's like almost

2225
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:43,070
like moaning or robots is cry it looks

2226
01:29:47,919 --> 01:29:45,170
really realistic but of course it also

2227
01:29:50,020 --> 01:29:47,929
looks very CGI'd and that's not a black

2228
01:29:51,669 --> 01:29:50,030
and white is it it's black and white

2229
01:29:53,469 --> 01:29:51,679
yeah it is yeah I have seen that yeah

2230
01:29:55,209 --> 01:29:53,479
there's that there's another one that

2231
01:29:56,589 --> 01:29:55,219
has the alien in the room and he's like

2232
01:30:00,100 --> 01:29:56,599
leaning down he's like walking around

2233
01:30:02,589 --> 01:30:00,110
the room then I might also like Brazil

2234
01:30:03,939 --> 01:30:02,599
to visit a coke alien you can look sick

2235
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:03,949
well days of alien so you don't know if

2236
01:30:06,460 --> 01:30:05,449
you look sicker or healthy really

2237
01:30:08,050 --> 01:30:06,470
telling what

2238
01:30:10,060 --> 01:30:08,060
what do we know you know but he's

2239
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:10,070
walking fern green all scared and then

2240
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:11,210
the guy comes in to open the door and

2241
01:30:14,890 --> 01:30:12,530
put some food on the floor any that goes

2242
01:30:17,170 --> 01:30:14,900
back in crouches I mean if you look at

2243
01:30:19,180 --> 01:30:17,180
that and you're not a filmmaker or not

2244
01:30:21,310 --> 01:30:19,190
your novice you look at that you'd be

2245
01:30:23,050 --> 01:30:21,320
like oh well it looks real you couldn't

2246
01:30:24,940 --> 01:30:23,060
tell the difference but as a filmmaker

2247
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:24,950
you could tell that you know clear CGI

2248
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:27,170
but that was four or five years ago

2249
01:30:34,110 --> 01:30:30,170
imagine now with the technology it is i

2250
01:30:37,900 --> 01:30:34,120
think the number one video for UFOs is

2251
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:37,910
CGI that I think it has a hundred

2252
01:30:43,150 --> 01:30:40,850
million views something like that and

2253
01:30:46,660 --> 01:30:43,160
it's going through some palm trees in

2254
01:30:49,690 --> 01:30:46,670
Haiti I believe it yes yeah that was

2255
01:30:51,370 --> 01:30:49,700
Anibal that's a good one you know what

2256
01:30:52,930 --> 01:30:51,380
that was uh you know what that was

2257
01:30:54,730 --> 01:30:52,940
created for though right Martin I don't

2258
01:30:57,460 --> 01:30:54,740
have you ever followed up why that was

2259
01:31:00,820 --> 01:30:57,470
actually even created and put on mine no

2260
01:31:03,100 --> 01:31:00,830
I don't know if I knew that that was

2261
01:31:05,860 --> 01:31:03,110
created as test footage for an actual

2262
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:05,870
movie that ended up coming out a couple

2263
01:31:12,340 --> 01:31:09,170
years later what about that no never

2264
01:31:14,350 --> 01:31:12,350
battle la bat overlay the the the alien

2265
01:31:16,630 --> 01:31:14,360
invasion movie that was actual test

2266
01:31:18,430 --> 01:31:16,640
footage for that movie well it's pretty

2267
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:18,440
good it was pretty good was very

2268
01:31:23,470 --> 01:31:21,170
convincing wasn't it yeah yeah now I

2269
01:31:26,590 --> 01:31:23,480
think that's interesting that you know

2270
01:31:28,270 --> 01:31:26,600
it that a kid could actually you know

2271
01:31:30,730 --> 01:31:28,280
create something and it actually

2272
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:30,740
probably makes you wonder why there

2273
01:31:35,440 --> 01:31:32,810
isn't more and I hate to say it but why

2274
01:31:37,930 --> 01:31:35,450
there isn't more on line with people

2275
01:31:40,180 --> 01:31:37,940
trying to you know hoax but it always

2276
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:40,190
makes me wonder it doesn't make me

2277
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:41,930
wonder in my business I mentioned

2278
01:31:46,180 --> 01:31:43,810
earlier in fine art and stuff like that

2279
01:31:48,490 --> 01:31:46,190
someone is hoaxing obviously for money

2280
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:48,500
but for the most part some is not going

2281
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:51,770
to be hoaxing a video in hopes for money

2282
01:31:55,030 --> 01:31:53,330
i don't think i don't i don't see that

2283
01:31:56,650 --> 01:31:55,040
happening thanks oh no yeah you actually

2284
01:31:58,450 --> 01:31:56,660
could you put it on YouTube it goes

2285
01:32:00,790 --> 01:31:58,460
viral get several million hits and you

2286
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:00,800
make that sucker monetized and there you

2287
01:32:04,540 --> 01:32:02,090
guys start making a little scratch right

2288
01:32:06,970 --> 01:32:04,550
off the bat but here's the thing forget

2289
01:32:09,340 --> 01:32:06,980
CGI for a second we haven't even touched

2290
01:32:11,740 --> 01:32:09,350
on the the drone technology that's

2291
01:32:14,380 --> 01:32:11,750
really come come full circle in the last

2292
01:32:16,510 --> 01:32:14,390
a few years and really has exploded you

2293
01:32:18,310 --> 01:32:16,520
know in the next few years drones are

2294
01:32:19,570 --> 01:32:18,320
going to be all over the place on the

2295
01:32:21,820 --> 01:32:19,580
Amazon is working on

2296
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:21,830
drones so there's a good chance you're

2297
01:32:25,210 --> 01:32:23,210
gonna see people start hooking videos

2298
01:32:26,830 --> 01:32:25,220
with drones that look like little mini

2299
01:32:29,100 --> 01:32:26,840
saucers because remember cameras don't

2300
01:32:32,380 --> 01:32:29,110
have very good perception of depth or

2301
01:32:34,270 --> 01:32:32,390
depth perception so he has it looks you

2302
01:32:36,460 --> 01:32:34,280
know at the right distance it could look

2303
01:32:39,340 --> 01:32:36,470
like a large ship in the sky and it

2304
01:32:41,860 --> 01:32:39,350
could be but a drone right and we had

2305
01:32:44,770 --> 01:32:41,870
earlier in the news with Alejandro was

2306
01:32:48,070 --> 01:32:44,780
speaking about possible drones and it

2307
01:32:50,860 --> 01:32:48,080
results in France open nuclear power

2308
01:32:52,660 --> 01:32:50,870
plants so you know that will be tough

2309
01:32:54,730 --> 01:32:52,670
and that is another another one and

2310
01:32:57,100 --> 01:32:54,740
there was a drone hoax I'm not sure if

2311
01:33:00,160 --> 01:32:57,110
you heard about that in Canada at some

2312
01:33:02,740 --> 01:33:00,170
sports game anyone heard about them

2313
01:33:05,380 --> 01:33:02,750
everyone got it and then it was like

2314
01:33:09,130 --> 01:33:05,390
they did it for publicity you know so

2315
01:33:11,290 --> 01:33:09,140
yeah yeah drones are going to be another

2316
01:33:14,260 --> 01:33:11,300
one and you know the Chinese lanterns

2317
01:33:16,900 --> 01:33:14,270
are another thing that fool a lot of

2318
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:16,910
people so yeah we have more than ever to

2319
01:33:22,210 --> 01:33:19,370
worry about as far as you know what's

2320
01:33:24,340 --> 01:33:22,220
what's real and what's not you know and

2321
01:33:25,450 --> 01:33:24,350
it's not all it's not only just CGI it's

2322
01:33:28,180 --> 01:33:25,460
a little bit of a lot of different

2323
01:33:31,450 --> 01:33:28,190
things that makes it really really tough

2324
01:33:33,100 --> 01:33:31,460
to be in this field in and scrutinize

2325
01:33:35,050 --> 01:33:33,110
the videos that get on put on the

2326
01:33:37,750 --> 01:33:35,060
Internet that's why I don't really you

2327
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:37,760
know it's funny I'm into ufology I do

2328
01:33:43,210 --> 01:33:39,890
the shows and everything and I rarely

2329
01:33:46,930 --> 01:33:43,220
look on online anymore videos mm-hmm

2330
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:46,940
Irene is it no point right I had dr.

2331
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:49,730
Bruce Maccabee on a couple times but the

2332
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:51,770
first time I yeah he has first time I

2333
01:33:56,950 --> 01:33:54,650
had him on I said to him something about

2334
01:33:59,620 --> 01:33:56,960
you know how do you know when you have a

2335
01:34:01,000 --> 01:33:59,630
good you know really good photo i think

2336
01:34:03,700 --> 01:34:01,010
i was talking about photos at the time

2337
01:34:06,370 --> 01:34:03,710
and he says well it's all about the

2338
01:34:08,590 --> 01:34:06,380
witnesses you know it's all that comes

2339
01:34:10,930 --> 01:34:08,600
first and you know that makes total

2340
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:10,940
sense and that's a way you know even

2341
01:34:17,230 --> 01:34:13,970
more so now than ever that rule has to

2342
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:17,240
follow i agree with that it is all about

2343
01:34:22,900 --> 01:34:21,050
the witnesses and look the more

2344
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:22,910
important the witness or and i hate to

2345
01:34:26,440 --> 01:34:25,010
say it like that but you know for

2346
01:34:29,380 --> 01:34:26,450
example witnesses are police officers

2347
01:34:30,790 --> 01:34:29,390
are people in the army or you know

2348
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:30,800
people in government they come forward

2349
01:34:32,709 --> 01:34:32,090
with their own experiences to me those

2350
01:34:34,629 --> 01:34:32,719
are the ones that

2351
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:34,639
really have to take a little bit of a

2352
01:34:38,500 --> 01:34:37,010
closer look not just anybody who comes

2353
01:34:41,469 --> 01:34:38,510
out and says well I saw you have for my

2354
01:34:44,649 --> 01:34:41,479
backyard last week hmm you know that's

2355
01:34:48,549 --> 01:34:44,659
not helping you know what I mean I had I

2356
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:48,559
had dr. Seth Shostak on the show and we

2357
01:34:53,469 --> 01:34:51,170
debated UFOs you know way way back and

2358
01:34:55,989 --> 01:34:53,479
you know I mentioned that to him I said

2359
01:34:58,899 --> 01:34:55,999
what about you know more credible people

2360
01:35:02,469 --> 01:34:58,909
as far as astronauts or police officers

2361
01:35:04,540 --> 01:35:02,479
or military and he says of there no more

2362
01:35:06,850 --> 01:35:04,550
better observers than anyone else you

2363
01:35:09,100 --> 01:35:06,860
know he just went on and on about that

2364
01:35:13,689 --> 01:35:09,110
he you know basically saying that you

2365
01:35:15,819 --> 01:35:13,699
know I witnesses I make no what did he

2366
01:35:18,009 --> 01:35:15,829
say they wouldn't hold up in a murder

2367
01:35:21,549 --> 01:35:18,019
trial they they make no difference there

2368
01:35:24,189 --> 01:35:21,559
there you know inconsequential really oh

2369
01:35:25,989 --> 01:35:24,199
he's right in a lot of ways because yeah

2370
01:35:27,969 --> 01:35:25,999
the witness doesn't really matter he's a

2371
01:35:30,729 --> 01:35:27,979
police officer or government agent or a

2372
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:30,739
civilian of any kind but the thing is

2373
01:35:37,149 --> 01:35:34,130
who has more to lose an astronaut or a

2374
01:35:38,950 --> 01:35:37,159
farmer right you know what I mean look

2375
01:35:41,229 --> 01:35:38,960
at Edgar Mitchell for example use him as

2376
01:35:42,609 --> 01:35:41,239
a template he came forward saying that

2377
01:35:43,930 --> 01:35:42,619
he believes that there's aliens out

2378
01:35:47,919 --> 01:35:43,940
there the government's covering it up

2379
01:35:49,839 --> 01:35:47,929
and he had been scrutinized by people

2380
01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:49,849
within government he has taken a stance

2381
01:35:53,890 --> 01:35:52,130
that goes against the grain of NASA you

2382
01:35:57,729 --> 01:35:53,900
know what i mean so he has been put in

2383
01:36:00,219 --> 01:35:57,739
that kennel of a bubble and he had a lot

2384
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:00,229
more to lose coming forward then you

2385
01:36:05,229 --> 01:36:02,449
know if average Joe Blow comes out of

2386
01:36:07,330 --> 01:36:05,239
North Carolina's as a I was abducted

2387
01:36:09,250 --> 01:36:07,340
with no evidence you know what I mean

2388
01:36:12,609 --> 01:36:09,260
the fact that Edgar Mitchell put himself

2389
01:36:15,009 --> 01:36:12,619
out there means a lot more and yeah as a

2390
01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:15,019
witness it to say he saw an alien ship

2391
01:36:20,229 --> 01:36:18,050
or he saw a UFO or whatever as the

2392
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:20,239
witness his account of what he might

2393
01:36:24,850 --> 01:36:22,010
have seen is no more important than

2394
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:24,860
anybody else's account and in terms of

2395
01:36:27,939 --> 01:36:26,570
what they may have seen at least saw

2396
01:36:29,649 --> 01:36:27,949
something together at the same time or

2397
01:36:32,049 --> 01:36:29,659
saw the same object they're not going to

2398
01:36:35,140 --> 01:36:32,059
say the same kind of story but is the

2399
01:36:37,029 --> 01:36:35,150
person itself is the the establishment

2400
01:36:39,819 --> 01:36:37,039
of the way they look in view at this

2401
01:36:41,020 --> 01:36:39,829
person that matters more that's why I

2402
01:36:43,149 --> 01:36:41,030
think it is more important to have

2403
01:36:44,859 --> 01:36:43,159
somebody like an Edgar Mitchell or

2404
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:44,869
somebody within government or an

2405
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:46,010
authority figure

2406
01:36:49,990 --> 01:36:48,530
they comes forward Podesta who's going

2407
01:36:51,759 --> 01:36:50,000
to be ahead of Hillary Clinton's

2408
01:36:56,890 --> 01:36:51,769
presidential campaign if she decides to

2409
01:37:00,129 --> 01:36:56,900
run he is in favor of disclosure he is

2410
01:37:01,629 --> 01:37:00,139
pushing for this subject mm-hmm you know

2411
01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:01,639
those are the type of people that I want

2412
01:37:06,759 --> 01:37:04,610
to see more out there well Clinton was

2413
01:37:08,890 --> 01:37:06,769
you know in the beginning he was I don't

2414
01:37:12,100 --> 01:37:08,900
know if you heard about him on the Jimmy

2415
01:37:13,779 --> 01:37:12,110
Kimmel show mom yeah you know he was

2416
01:37:16,390 --> 01:37:13,789
when he went into office he wanted to

2417
01:37:18,970 --> 01:37:16,400
find that out and I really don't know

2418
01:37:20,859 --> 01:37:18,980
how far a president could actually get

2419
01:37:22,750 --> 01:37:20,869
you know if that's we have no way of

2420
01:37:26,740 --> 01:37:22,760
knowing you know how that really works

2421
01:37:29,830 --> 01:37:26,750
no no Lana could be so compartmentalized

2422
01:37:32,140 --> 01:37:29,840
that you just can't get to it no matter

2423
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:32,150
who you are you know it's very not very

2424
01:37:36,069 --> 01:37:34,489
possible it's possible and here's

2425
01:37:37,689 --> 01:37:36,079
another thing I thought if anybody was

2426
01:37:39,430 --> 01:37:37,699
going to be the disclosure president it

2427
01:37:42,430 --> 01:37:39,440
would have been like President Obama or

2428
01:37:44,259 --> 01:37:42,440
somebody like him who is so polarizing

2429
01:37:45,729 --> 01:37:44,269
and this would be great for his

2430
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:45,739
administration to be the one who

2431
01:37:50,379 --> 01:37:49,250
discloses this to the public and already

2432
01:37:52,209 --> 01:37:50,389
he's done a lot of different things

2433
01:37:54,009 --> 01:37:52,219
which has been both controversial and

2434
01:37:55,959 --> 01:37:54,019
positive for a lot of folks like myself

2435
01:37:57,819 --> 01:37:55,969
look I'm CUBAN what he's going now with

2436
01:37:59,649 --> 01:37:57,829
the Cuba with the whole thing in Cuba is

2437
01:38:01,569 --> 01:37:59,659
very positive for the community in Cuba

2438
01:38:02,919 --> 01:38:01,579
so this would have been a great niche

2439
01:38:04,419 --> 01:38:02,929
for him also to add this to his

2440
01:38:06,189 --> 01:38:04,429
presidency I don't think it's going to

2441
01:38:07,959 --> 01:38:06,199
happen for him if it happens for like

2442
01:38:09,819 --> 01:38:07,969
the next president with whether it's

2443
01:38:11,439 --> 01:38:09,829
Hillary or whoever that would be great

2444
01:38:12,879 --> 01:38:11,449
but you're absolutely right we don't

2445
01:38:14,049 --> 01:38:12,889
know how that works we don't know if

2446
01:38:15,370 --> 01:38:14,059
somebody's in the Ptolemais you're the

2447
01:38:17,529 --> 01:38:15,380
president you're the one is going to say

2448
01:38:19,660 --> 01:38:17,539
it if somebody and who is there to say

2449
01:38:21,790 --> 01:38:19,670
no just if there is a shadow government

2450
01:38:22,689 --> 01:38:21,800
if there isn't a shadow government that

2451
01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:22,699
we've all just been making up

2452
01:38:26,620 --> 01:38:25,250
conspiracies all along and it really

2453
01:38:28,029 --> 01:38:26,630
just is all compartment

2454
01:38:30,009 --> 01:38:28,039
compartmentalized like you're saying

2455
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:30,019
that's the case let stuff for word from

2456
01:38:34,839 --> 01:38:31,610
you by the way in Cuban but if that's

2457
01:38:36,279 --> 01:38:34,849
the case then you know what then there

2458
01:38:37,270 --> 01:38:36,289
might not be a person we had the scenes

2459
01:38:38,500 --> 01:38:37,280
pulling the strings that tells the

2460
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:38,510
president by the way you're gonna be the

2461
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:41,210
guy that person might not even exist you

2462
01:38:43,660 --> 01:38:42,050
want I mean there might not be that

2463
01:38:45,100 --> 01:38:43,670
shadow group we don't know we have no

2464
01:38:46,629 --> 01:38:45,110
idea at the end of the day is all

2465
01:38:49,870 --> 01:38:46,639
theories really because nobody really

2466
01:38:53,500 --> 01:38:49,880
knows I had some one-on-one time that

2467
01:38:55,509 --> 01:38:53,510
said even if the President had a press

2468
01:38:57,729 --> 01:38:55,519
conference and said we are being visited

2469
01:38:59,649 --> 01:38:57,739
by aliens a lot of people still wouldn't

2470
01:39:00,939 --> 01:38:59,659
believe probably not no cuz

2471
01:39:05,049 --> 01:39:00,949
where it will be like well mr. president

2472
01:39:08,109 --> 01:39:05,059
worse the proof yeah that's what we're

2473
01:39:10,419 --> 01:39:08,119
asking yeah we want to prove every and

2474
01:39:12,310 --> 01:39:10,429
you could blame you could blame years of

2475
01:39:14,830 --> 01:39:12,320
listen to William Cooper for that also

2476
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:14,840
William Cooper didn't you know he push

2477
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:16,610
that the government one day was gonna

2478
01:39:22,179 --> 01:39:19,610
you know folks a UFO invasion or some

2479
01:39:23,770 --> 01:39:22,189
kind of a UFO incident and that that was

2480
01:39:25,120 --> 01:39:23,780
going to happen so now if it does happen

2481
01:39:26,350 --> 01:39:25,130
we all have to be like wait a second

2482
01:39:29,020 --> 01:39:26,360
where William Cooper kind of said this

2483
01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:29,030
and behold a pale horse mr. president

2484
01:39:32,350 --> 01:39:31,130
where's the proof so that's the me in

2485
01:39:34,899 --> 01:39:32,360
the minds of a lot of folks like myself

2486
01:39:37,209 --> 01:39:34,909
who read the book behold a pale horse

2487
01:39:40,089 --> 01:39:37,219
you know people who are into conspiracy

2488
01:39:42,009 --> 01:39:40,099
theory field like us you know in ufology

2489
01:39:43,359 --> 01:39:42,019
field we're gonna ask that question so

2490
01:39:45,819 --> 01:39:43,369
again it's not just coming out and

2491
01:39:47,169 --> 01:39:45,829
saying it god bless steve bassett again

2492
01:39:49,149 --> 01:39:47,179
you know he's pushing for the right

2493
01:39:50,739 --> 01:39:49,159
thing but even if they come out and say

2494
01:39:53,250 --> 01:39:50,749
that you know yeah you know aliens are

2495
01:39:55,750 --> 01:39:53,260
real we still need to see some evidence

2496
01:39:57,489 --> 01:39:55,760
until i see an actual alien being

2497
01:39:59,649 --> 01:39:57,499
walking in a room that i could shake

2498
01:40:02,949 --> 01:39:59,659
hands with or have starbucks with or

2499
01:40:04,330 --> 01:40:02,959
whatever i'm not gonna believe it that's

2500
01:40:05,529 --> 01:40:04,340
just I think most people think that way

2501
01:40:06,699 --> 01:40:05,539
and it doesn't mean that we don't think

2502
01:40:08,020 --> 01:40:06,709
there they are out there because I

2503
01:40:10,299 --> 01:40:08,030
believe there's aliens all over the

2504
01:40:11,290 --> 01:40:10,309
place it's just I want to see the proof

2505
01:40:13,029 --> 01:40:11,300
at this point I don't want to see no

2506
01:40:15,310 --> 01:40:13,039
more jokes I don't want to see somebody

2507
01:40:17,409 --> 01:40:15,320
told me I had a dream and in my dream I

2508
01:40:19,239 --> 01:40:17,419
was contacted by a person in office and

2509
01:40:21,009 --> 01:40:19,249
Terry and they told me that one day I

2510
01:40:23,739 --> 01:40:21,019
was gonna be President of the world that

2511
01:40:27,759 --> 01:40:23,749
doesn't work for me yeah yeah we've come

2512
01:40:30,370 --> 01:40:27,769
a long way since that yeah I I know and

2513
01:40:33,969 --> 01:40:30,380
you know you go all the way back to

2514
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:33,979
these you know the old contactees from

2515
01:40:39,850 --> 01:40:36,530
way back you know talking about you know

2516
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:39,860
living on Jupiter and all this stuff so

2517
01:40:44,739 --> 01:40:42,010
we hadn't we've had a tough road to hoe

2518
01:40:48,339 --> 01:40:44,749
as far as you know trying to get any

2519
01:40:50,859 --> 01:40:48,349
answers really and Steve actually was

2520
01:40:52,779 --> 01:40:50,869
the first guest on on my show here he

2521
01:40:55,870 --> 01:40:52,789
was the first one that took the chance

2522
01:40:58,089 --> 01:40:55,880
and and speaking of that when you

2523
01:41:00,069 --> 01:40:58,099
started your show and you did your first

2524
01:41:03,339 --> 01:41:00,079
UFO show did you have a hard time

2525
01:41:05,949 --> 01:41:03,349
getting a s for that or was that did

2526
01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:05,959
that work out fine well Martin I'll tell

2527
01:41:09,879 --> 01:41:08,449
you what the first show I ever did there

2528
01:41:12,489 --> 01:41:09,889
was ufology based I had a hard time

2529
01:41:13,550 --> 01:41:12,499
getting a thought out because I had so

2530
01:41:15,650 --> 01:41:13,560
many things in my head

2531
01:41:17,150 --> 01:41:15,660
racing around that I didn't know exactly

2532
01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:17,160
where to start I mean I was literally

2533
01:41:21,020 --> 01:41:19,170
literally all over the place I did about

2534
01:41:23,030 --> 01:41:21,030
two or three podcast just by myself

2535
01:41:25,250 --> 01:41:23,040
talking about different cases that I was

2536
01:41:28,850 --> 01:41:25,260
interested in and just rambling on like

2537
01:41:30,830 --> 01:41:28,860
crazy madman on here and and then I ran

2538
01:41:32,480 --> 01:41:30,840
into Alejandro and Jesse and and you

2539
01:41:34,820 --> 01:41:32,490
know we were talking about having them

2540
01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:34,830
on and they really were the first mean

2541
01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:36,330
guessed that I had on my show they were

2542
01:41:40,250 --> 01:41:37,770
kind enough to be on the show and and

2543
01:41:42,980 --> 01:41:40,260
you know talk to me about what we all

2544
01:41:44,480 --> 01:41:42,990
like ufology and it was a learning

2545
01:41:45,740 --> 01:41:44,490
experience because they're more

2546
01:41:47,540 --> 01:41:45,750
professional than i was at that point

2547
01:41:48,830 --> 01:41:47,550
they're more professional i am now so

2548
01:41:50,870 --> 01:41:48,840
it's the learning experience whatever

2549
01:41:54,170 --> 01:41:50,880
i'm on the air with them and that was

2550
01:41:56,270 --> 01:41:54,180
the first real serious interview that I

2551
01:41:58,100 --> 01:41:56,280
did when it came to you follow Jean

2552
01:41:59,840 --> 01:41:58,110
after that I started just going crazy I

2553
01:42:00,980 --> 01:41:59,850
was like well let me see who I can have

2554
01:42:02,750 --> 01:42:00,990
on the air and I started putting a

2555
01:42:04,310 --> 01:42:02,760
bucket list together of the people I

2556
01:42:06,380 --> 01:42:04,320
wanted an interview number one of my

2557
01:42:09,070 --> 01:42:06,390
list was Travis Walton why not shoot for

2558
01:42:11,300 --> 01:42:09,080
the stars right go for the gusto and I

2559
01:42:14,300 --> 01:42:11,310
contacted Travis he agreed to be on the

2560
01:42:15,590 --> 01:42:14,310
show and you know that told me when I

2561
01:42:17,420 --> 01:42:15,600
was a better get travelling sounds like

2562
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:17,430
okay I could i think i can get just

2563
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:19,530
about anybody else at this point because

2564
01:42:24,590 --> 01:42:22,890
i'm travis is the biggest in ufology so

2565
01:42:27,050 --> 01:42:24,600
i started going after people like lloyd

2566
01:42:28,700 --> 01:42:27,060
pye steve bassett i went astray and

2567
01:42:30,230 --> 01:42:28,710
steve acid mean you know clicked right

2568
01:42:32,230 --> 01:42:30,240
away and he's good on the show dozens of

2569
01:42:34,850 --> 01:42:32,240
times he's a great great guy to talk to

2570
01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:34,860
Hosea media has been a good friend over

2571
01:42:40,250 --> 01:42:37,890
the years he's been on the show a lot I

2572
01:42:42,170 --> 01:42:40,260
mean the Paul Dale Roberts has been on

2573
01:42:43,550 --> 01:42:42,180
the show you know a lot I mean there's a

2574
01:42:45,020 --> 01:42:43,560
lot of folks in ufology that I keep

2575
01:42:46,250 --> 01:42:45,030
bringing on because they're really

2576
01:42:48,350 --> 01:42:46,260
really interesting people but they're

2577
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:48,360
also good honest folks that are in it

2578
01:42:51,230 --> 01:42:49,650
for the same reasons that I'm in it they

2579
01:42:52,820 --> 01:42:51,240
want to know what the truth is they're

2580
01:42:54,410 --> 01:42:52,830
hungry to find out what's happening in

2581
01:42:56,090 --> 01:42:54,420
this field and they just want to you

2582
01:42:59,030 --> 01:42:56,100
know get to the final answer of are we

2583
01:43:00,290 --> 01:42:59,040
alone that's in and honestly when he

2584
01:43:02,330 --> 01:43:00,300
came to do in my show those are the

2585
01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:02,340
people I wanted to hit up and they also

2586
01:43:05,420 --> 01:43:04,410
did a you know just saying yes when I

2587
01:43:08,030 --> 01:43:05,430
said the other and that blew my mind

2588
01:43:09,830 --> 01:43:08,040
when I went load pais ideas Travis

2589
01:43:11,210 --> 01:43:09,840
Walton said yes steve bassett said yes

2590
01:43:12,620 --> 01:43:11,220
and it was like one as to the other I

2591
01:43:15,350 --> 01:43:12,630
felt like art bell in the 90s I was like

2592
01:43:17,870 --> 01:43:15,360
oh my god it's epic it's like one great

2593
01:43:19,790 --> 01:43:17,880
guest of the other I had no I don't even

2594
01:43:21,350 --> 01:43:19,800
like handle it and i'll tell you what

2595
01:43:23,390 --> 01:43:21,360
early on the first few episodes i was

2596
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:23,400
probably terrible not that I'm much

2597
01:43:27,370 --> 01:43:25,530
better now but I've come a long way I

2598
01:43:28,570 --> 01:43:27,380
think but back then I was

2599
01:43:30,340 --> 01:43:28,580
I was terrible and they were kind enough

2600
01:43:32,439 --> 01:43:30,350
to stick by it and they've been on

2601
01:43:35,260 --> 01:43:32,449
several times after that and and you

2602
01:43:37,870 --> 01:43:35,270
know I in I will never ever ever not

2603
01:43:39,310 --> 01:43:37,880
have a Steve ambassador or escamilla on

2604
01:43:40,660 --> 01:43:39,320
my show or one of those guys on my show

2605
01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:40,670
because those are just good friends at

2606
01:43:46,120 --> 01:43:42,610
this point and I love having them on so

2607
01:43:47,649 --> 01:43:46,130
yep I almost had lunch last year with

2608
01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:47,659
Steve ambassador but we just couldn't

2609
01:43:52,419 --> 01:43:49,330
put it together i was out fully I was

2610
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:52,429
really close to his house and it just it

2611
01:43:57,580 --> 01:43:55,010
just could make it work but um I might

2612
01:44:00,939 --> 01:43:57,590
have him pop in the next show or two and

2613
01:44:02,169 --> 01:44:00,949
just catch up the last time we was on

2614
01:44:04,240 --> 01:44:02,179
the show he's really angry about

2615
01:44:05,590 --> 01:44:04,250
something and he's a very passionate of

2616
01:44:09,820 --> 01:44:05,600
me and he's always angry about something

2617
01:44:11,169 --> 01:44:09,830
still exists except action it's a

2618
01:44:13,180 --> 01:44:11,179
passion that he has to make some angry

2619
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:13,190
but I know he's a great guy the guy I

2620
01:44:16,330 --> 01:44:15,170
have a met him in person yet I know I

2621
01:44:17,950 --> 01:44:16,340
know all these folks over the phone and

2622
01:44:19,899 --> 01:44:17,960
doing the interviews and and on the show

2623
01:44:23,050 --> 01:44:19,909
and just chatting with them on and on an

2624
01:44:24,820 --> 01:44:23,060
email and I'll fair but he's somebody

2625
01:44:26,290 --> 01:44:24,830
that I want to meet before I die or he

2626
01:44:28,479 --> 01:44:26,300
dies and I definitely to meet him one

2627
01:44:30,129 --> 01:44:28,489
day Travis Walton is another 1i want to

2628
01:44:31,390 --> 01:44:30,139
meet on the near future in fact he

2629
01:44:33,430 --> 01:44:31,400
doesn't have another summit this year

2630
01:44:35,169 --> 01:44:33,440
for the fire in disguise summit he added

2631
01:44:36,220 --> 01:44:35,179
just this past year they're having

2632
01:44:37,899 --> 01:44:36,230
another one this year and I'm gonna

2633
01:44:40,270 --> 01:44:37,909
attended him hopefully I get to meet

2634
01:44:42,399 --> 01:44:40,280
Travis and shake his hand because I mean

2635
01:44:44,590 --> 01:44:42,409
he really is part of the reason why I do

2636
01:44:46,750 --> 01:44:44,600
this today and one person that I don't

2637
01:44:48,399 --> 01:44:46,760
think I'll ever even haven't seen my

2638
01:44:51,580 --> 01:44:48,409
name on air but it would be a dream come

2639
01:44:53,379 --> 01:44:51,590
true would be art bell I mean yeah if he

2640
01:44:55,990 --> 01:44:53,389
just acknowledges my existence at some

2641
01:44:57,520 --> 01:44:56,000
point in time I would be happy that's

2642
01:44:59,680 --> 01:44:57,530
all we do that if you call in to a show

2643
01:45:01,300 --> 01:44:59,690
and by the way the listener should be

2644
01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:01,310
pretty excited because he'll be back and

2645
01:45:05,410 --> 01:45:03,650
you know just a matter of months yes

2646
01:45:08,830 --> 01:45:05,420
he'll be right here on the Dark Matter

2647
01:45:11,620 --> 01:45:08,840
radio network and yes I think his time

2648
01:45:14,530 --> 01:45:11,630
slot like I don't want to call this time

2649
01:45:17,680 --> 01:45:14,540
slot but but it's not going to affect a

2650
01:45:20,830 --> 01:45:17,690
lot of us on the show which affect me

2651
01:45:22,360 --> 01:45:20,840
actually but in a good way yeah right

2652
01:45:24,160 --> 01:45:22,370
now we do the overnight our we do one

2653
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:24,170
two three in the morning and that's

2654
01:45:28,390 --> 01:45:25,850
going to be part of our bells time slot

2655
01:45:30,370 --> 01:45:28,400
I have no problems moving and letting

2656
01:45:33,399 --> 01:45:30,380
our belt I could take his time back no

2657
01:45:36,340 --> 01:45:33,409
problem with that no I just have any pro

2658
01:45:37,689 --> 01:45:36,350
I can't believe you do those hours and

2659
01:45:40,629 --> 01:45:37,699
you were kind enough to invite me on

2660
01:45:41,140 --> 01:45:40,639
your show which I'm going to be on while

2661
01:45:44,410 --> 01:45:41,150
doing it

2662
01:45:47,290 --> 01:45:44,420
cross-pollination here basically yes so

2663
01:45:49,480 --> 01:45:47,300
um yeah and so you're kind enough to let

2664
01:45:53,830 --> 01:45:49,490
me pre-record instead of staying up all

2665
01:45:55,510 --> 01:45:53,840
hours yes nice and which you're the

2666
01:45:58,330 --> 01:45:55,520
first person that I said okay I'll let

2667
01:46:01,990 --> 01:45:58,340
you pre-record why not all the other

2668
01:46:04,120 --> 01:46:02,000
guys I've been asked before and I'm like

2669
01:46:07,570 --> 01:46:04,130
nah man we do everything live no no we

2670
01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:07,580
realize baby no you're the first oh wow

2671
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:09,890
she beat now I feel like I'm under part

2672
01:46:16,210 --> 01:46:12,410
of it you better deliver a good show

2673
01:46:19,750 --> 01:46:16,220
it's on Sam okay so we have someone on

2674
01:46:23,740 --> 01:46:19,760
the message board saying he's gonna

2675
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:23,750
sound like a broken record Lisa in July

2676
01:46:29,050 --> 01:46:25,610
and hung out with them for a weekend

2677
01:46:32,170 --> 01:46:29,060
they are kind of down to earth forgive

2678
01:46:36,490 --> 01:46:32,180
the pun I but I believe him regardless

2679
01:46:38,950 --> 01:46:36,500
of the pencil trick he does not he does

2680
01:46:41,830 --> 01:46:38,960
like to joke around so that's just

2681
01:46:43,810 --> 01:46:41,840
someone's comment on the yeah and what

2682
01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:43,820
like i like i said uh you know when we

2683
01:46:46,750 --> 01:46:45,050
were talking about him earlier i have

2684
01:46:48,610 --> 01:46:46,760
had nothing but positive interactions

2685
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:48,620
with him before so i can't say a

2686
01:46:52,240 --> 01:46:50,810
negative thing as you know between me

2687
01:46:54,850 --> 01:46:52,250
and him we've never had a negative

2688
01:46:57,790 --> 01:46:54,860
interaction but does not mean that he's

2689
01:46:59,410 --> 01:46:57,800
not guilty Jeffrey Dahmer was a lovely

2690
01:47:01,630 --> 01:46:59,420
young manager he started eating people

2691
01:47:03,160 --> 01:47:01,640
you know what I mean when he was in

2692
01:47:04,180 --> 01:47:03,170
prison guess what the guards love them

2693
01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:04,190
they thought it was a role model

2694
01:47:08,230 --> 01:47:06,770
prisoner until they murdered him but you

2695
01:47:09,370 --> 01:47:08,240
know I'm not trying to say he's Jeffrey

2696
01:47:10,270 --> 01:47:09,380
Dahmer he's coming people and eating

2697
01:47:12,970 --> 01:47:10,280
them that's not what I'm saying here

2698
01:47:14,440 --> 01:47:12,980
folks but let's be realistic here we

2699
01:47:17,710 --> 01:47:14,450
don't know what happens behind closed

2700
01:47:19,810 --> 01:47:17,720
doors we just don't yeah and there's

2701
01:47:22,750 --> 01:47:19,820
when there's smoke there's usually fire

2702
01:47:24,870 --> 01:47:22,760
right and one thing that happened when

2703
01:47:27,610 --> 01:47:24,880
the police went in and they got stand

2704
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:27,620
which till this day really bottles my

2705
01:47:32,380 --> 01:47:30,410
mind why he would make this comment when

2706
01:47:34,180 --> 01:47:32,390
the cops were interrogating him and

2707
01:47:36,910 --> 01:47:34,190
talking to him or whatever they take him

2708
01:47:39,790 --> 01:47:36,920
over to her Lisa was in the house or

2709
01:47:41,650 --> 01:47:39,800
wherever was and the first thing he says

2710
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:41,660
to lisa is all they just care about the

2711
01:47:46,090 --> 01:47:44,570
child porn stuff and she acknowledges

2712
01:47:48,970 --> 01:47:46,100
like oh like she knows it she knows

2713
01:47:50,680 --> 01:47:48,980
about it that to me is a little bit

2714
01:47:52,630 --> 01:47:50,690
because look if somebody's planting

2715
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:52,640
stuff in your computer if when the MMA I

2716
01:47:54,850 --> 01:47:53,930
go to my computer and that's our my

2717
01:47:56,890 --> 01:47:54,860
computer on and all

2718
01:47:58,209 --> 01:47:56,900
I look at a full jen is full of child

2719
01:48:00,490 --> 01:47:58,219
pornography that i didn't put in there

2720
01:48:02,109 --> 01:48:00,500
what am I going to do delete it

2721
01:48:03,910 --> 01:48:02,119
immediately cuz that's not me I don't

2722
01:48:05,830 --> 01:48:03,920
want that in my computer right and then

2723
01:48:07,209 --> 01:48:05,840
I'm gonna grab the computer call my

2724
01:48:08,530 --> 01:48:07,219
internet provider and be like hey I've

2725
01:48:10,270 --> 01:48:08,540
been hacked and they just put cha

2726
01:48:11,830 --> 01:48:10,280
pornography my computer what the hell is

2727
01:48:13,930 --> 01:48:11,840
going on and I would launch my own

2728
01:48:15,310 --> 01:48:13,940
investigation because that is the most

2729
01:48:18,580 --> 01:48:15,320
disgusting thing that you could be

2730
01:48:20,410 --> 01:48:18,590
involved in child pornography so to me

2731
01:48:22,750 --> 01:48:20,420
for them to make it a joke out of the

2732
01:48:25,450 --> 01:48:22,760
police interaction with them or the

2733
01:48:26,709 --> 01:48:25,460
police questioning and to make it a like

2734
01:48:28,840 --> 01:48:26,719
you know like a silly comment oh you

2735
01:48:31,540 --> 01:48:28,850
have a jaw pornography stuff that to me

2736
01:48:33,189 --> 01:48:31,550
isn't it really telling of what really

2737
01:48:35,050 --> 01:48:33,199
might be going on behind the scenes it's

2738
01:48:37,450 --> 01:48:35,060
too it's too loose and a sewer like

2739
01:48:38,709 --> 01:48:37,460
nonchalant of an answer for them to

2740
01:48:40,720 --> 01:48:38,719
really you know come off as being

2741
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:40,730
completely innocent if you're innocent

2742
01:48:43,930 --> 01:48:42,530
by oh god you're not to be like oh it's

2743
01:48:47,229 --> 01:48:43,940
just the child porn stuff yeah it's

2744
01:48:49,689 --> 01:48:47,239
nothing just choppin ography up put some

2745
01:48:53,080 --> 01:48:49,699
bacon kids getting you know get about a

2746
01:48:55,240 --> 01:48:53,090
bunch of old people that's nothing no

2747
01:48:57,520 --> 01:48:55,250
Stan that's actually a big deal you know

2748
01:48:59,290 --> 01:48:57,530
what I mean that's a problem that's

2749
01:49:01,209 --> 01:48:59,300
nothing to joke around about forget the

2750
01:49:03,459 --> 01:49:01,219
alien in the window forget you know the

2751
01:49:05,490 --> 01:49:03,469
auction of the pan or that trick with

2752
01:49:08,020 --> 01:49:05,500
unity of the hoax nvidia forget all that

2753
01:49:10,510 --> 01:49:08,030
this is more serious than anything he's

2754
01:49:12,729 --> 01:49:10,520
ever had happened to him or anything

2755
01:49:14,379 --> 01:49:12,739
that he's ever done this is really bad i

2756
01:49:17,310 --> 01:49:14,389
mean this is the most disgusting thing

2757
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:17,320
you can be accused of period by none

2758
01:49:24,100 --> 01:49:20,090
yeah that's where that gets up anyone

2759
01:49:26,830 --> 01:49:24,110
that you know goes to prison for that is

2760
01:49:29,590 --> 01:49:26,840
not does not have a bright future in

2761
01:49:31,750 --> 01:49:29,600
prison you know what I know we can go in

2762
01:49:34,450 --> 01:49:31,760
Stan and he's gonna come out Ramona her

2763
01:49:36,760 --> 01:49:34,460
Monica or it's not gonna be good Janice

2764
01:49:38,379 --> 01:49:36,770
okay look um I got a different mode or

2765
01:49:42,189 --> 01:49:38,389
maybe not at the mouth I mean that's

2766
01:49:44,620 --> 01:49:42,199
just what happens dad too yeah yeah yeah

2767
01:49:46,450 --> 01:49:44,630
so you know we're getting near the end

2768
01:49:49,660 --> 01:49:46,460
of the show we have I don't know five or

2769
01:49:51,939 --> 01:49:49,670
six minutes left so I kind of think we

2770
01:49:56,080 --> 01:49:51,949
should probably end on more of a

2771
01:49:58,209 --> 01:49:56,090
positive way we sure we could go down a

2772
01:50:04,450 --> 01:49:58,219
little bit more in just the only point

2773
01:50:06,430 --> 01:50:04,460
uh yeah now so I'm gonna ask you you

2774
01:50:08,380 --> 01:50:06,440
know you've been involved in this for a

2775
01:50:10,630 --> 01:50:08,390
while where do you think

2776
01:50:17,400 --> 01:50:10,640
ufology is is headed and one of the

2777
01:50:19,510 --> 01:50:17,410
things let me rephrase that i had

2778
01:50:23,080 --> 01:50:19,520
alejandro on a while back of the year

2779
01:50:25,690 --> 01:50:23,090
end and we said something about we got

2780
01:50:28,030 --> 01:50:25,700
about three minutes left and he said

2781
01:50:30,460 --> 01:50:28,040
something about Jason at open minds

2782
01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:30,470
things said this will be the year that

2783
01:50:36,550 --> 01:50:33,730
they you know come out with

2784
01:50:37,690 --> 01:50:36,560
extraterrestrial life exists and I agree

2785
01:50:39,610 --> 01:50:37,700
with that I think that's going to happen

2786
01:50:42,030 --> 01:50:39,620
and since we only have a couple minutes

2787
01:50:43,570 --> 01:50:42,040
left what's your thoughts on that

2788
01:50:45,940 --> 01:50:43,580
unfortunately they've been saying that

2789
01:50:48,490 --> 01:50:45,950
for the last 15 years every years of the

2790
01:50:50,260 --> 01:50:48,500
year it never happens I hope it is the

2791
01:50:53,800 --> 01:50:50,270
year I've been open that for the last 10

2792
01:50:55,870 --> 01:50:53,810
15 years so I seen those signs are there

2793
01:50:57,550 --> 01:50:55,880
gonna disclose anything major but I do

2794
01:50:59,500 --> 01:50:57,560
see signs are there in discloses they

2795
01:51:01,750 --> 01:50:59,510
found maybe microbes on Mars or some

2796
01:51:04,780 --> 01:51:01,760
kind of yeah that artifact on Marshall T

2797
01:51:06,820 --> 01:51:04,790
small ones up there but that's not me

2798
01:51:10,030 --> 01:51:06,830
right there that's enough its life and

2799
01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:10,040
its life elsewhere mm-hm and I I do

2800
01:51:12,670 --> 01:51:11,570
believe that that's probably going to

2801
01:51:14,740 --> 01:51:12,680
happen this year and I don't know

2802
01:51:16,360 --> 01:51:14,750
exactly why but here's going to be the

2803
01:51:17,830 --> 01:51:16,370
kicker though what if we do find

2804
01:51:19,540 --> 01:51:17,840
something on Mars and it turns out that

2805
01:51:23,110 --> 01:51:19,550
it's not extraterrestrial but as ours

2806
01:51:27,090 --> 01:51:23,120
from a past civilization that is human

2807
01:51:29,290 --> 01:51:27,100
from Earth you will have yet what if

2808
01:51:32,020 --> 01:51:29,300
that I think is it'll blow everybody

2809
01:51:33,550 --> 01:51:32,030
away and that I think is a very big

2810
01:51:35,410 --> 01:51:33,560
possibility of what's been going on and

2811
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:35,420
why there's such a big secrecy because

2812
01:51:40,480 --> 01:51:38,090
we might find out that a we actually are

2813
01:51:43,750 --> 01:51:40,490
the aliens and we've been the aliens all

2814
01:51:45,910 --> 01:51:43,760
along yeah well there's up you know

2815
01:51:49,720 --> 01:51:45,920
there's no answers here no answers

2816
01:51:51,280 --> 01:51:49,730
tonight but i love the speculation you

2817
01:51:54,250 --> 01:51:51,290
know that's the part that just keeps me

2818
01:51:55,300 --> 01:51:54,260
you know going week after week and you

2819
01:51:58,660 --> 01:51:55,310
know trying to figure this whole thing

2820
01:52:02,350 --> 01:51:58,670
out and i'm not sure if it'll happen in

2821
01:52:05,020 --> 01:52:02,360
my lifetime but i hope so the journey is

2822
01:52:07,390 --> 01:52:05,030
has been really fascinating and it's

2823
01:52:09,550 --> 01:52:07,400
it's always fun you know talking to two

2824
01:52:11,970 --> 01:52:09,560
people like you who are basically you're

2825
01:52:15,550 --> 01:52:11,980
out there doing what i'm doing and and

2826
01:52:17,620 --> 01:52:15,560
you know getting some basically the same

2827
01:52:20,680 --> 01:52:17,630
information kind of goes nowhere but

2828
01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:20,690
it's interesting anyway it is it's

2829
01:52:24,819 --> 01:52:21,050
always

2830
01:52:26,919 --> 01:52:24,829
yeah so um we're getting near the end of

2831
01:52:29,919 --> 01:52:26,929
the show if you can just announce out

2832
01:52:31,600 --> 01:52:29,929
there where people can find you you know

2833
01:52:33,850 --> 01:52:31,610
what you have going on your website and

2834
01:52:35,169 --> 01:52:33,860
all that stuff ya know and first I want

2835
01:52:37,180 --> 01:52:35,179
to say Martin thank you so much for

2836
01:52:40,750 --> 01:52:37,190
inviting me on your show it's been an

2837
01:52:42,910 --> 01:52:40,760
honor to be on the show here and to talk

2838
01:52:44,950 --> 01:52:42,920
to you for an hour anybody can go

2839
01:52:46,390 --> 01:52:44,960
anybody who's interested in listening to

2840
01:52:48,669 --> 01:52:46,400
my ramblings are you can check me out

2841
01:52:50,260 --> 01:52:48,679
every Tuesday night at 1am eastern or

2842
01:52:53,229 --> 01:52:50,270
wednesday morning with depending on what

2843
01:52:55,439 --> 01:52:53,239
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2844
01:52:58,510 --> 01:52:55,449
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2845
01:53:00,640 --> 01:52:58,520
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2846
01:53:03,729 --> 01:53:00,650
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2847
01:53:05,140 --> 01:53:03,739
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2848
01:53:07,839 --> 01:53:05,150
all that good stuff we're all over the

2849
01:53:09,700 --> 01:53:07,849
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2850
01:53:12,819 --> 01:53:09,710
good well thank you so much it's been a

2851
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:12,829
real pleasure thank you so I want to

2852
01:53:16,089 --> 01:53:14,090
thank everyone for helping out with the

2853
01:53:20,790 --> 01:53:16,099
show today of course our two guests

2854
01:53:25,569 --> 01:53:20,800
Christina Knowles and Angel SP neo and

2855
01:53:27,939 --> 01:53:25,579
closest be not because yeah you know

2856
01:53:28,959 --> 01:53:27,949
what I'm gonna I'm sorry for that and I

2857
01:53:30,430 --> 01:53:28,969
think in the beginning of the show I

2858
01:53:32,290 --> 01:53:30,440
really butchered your name so sorry

2859
01:53:33,580 --> 01:53:32,300
about it it's okay i'm the great butcher

2860
01:53:36,209 --> 01:53:33,590
of names it happens to me all the time

2861
01:53:38,410 --> 01:53:36,219
so don't worry and i also want to thank

2862
01:53:40,750 --> 01:53:38,420
Kerry Lloyd White House and Bruce

2863
01:53:43,390 --> 01:53:40,760
Rainier for our music Peggy shunning for

2864
01:53:44,919 --> 01:53:43,400
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2865
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2866
01:53:49,569 --> 01:53:47,750
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2867
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2868
01:53:54,580 --> 01:53:51,980
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2869
01:53:56,169 --> 01:53:54,590
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